But at the same time, the episode marks the end of the light that makes Wednesdays almost better than Fridays - a time when pretty much anything can be shaken off with the knowledge that a new episode of LOST will be on. Thursday marks the first day of the dark time. A time when life's luster is just a little less brilliant; when one week becomes another with nothing special to mark the midweek bump; the first day of about 250 LOSTless days.
Still, we'll have DVD's, maybe a Tillie game or two, some trivia, and each other to help us through the bleak period known as the final hiatus.
But let's look on the bright side... we have THREE HOURS OF LOST tonight! Whoo hoo! Bring it ON! Oh Mylanta! Go Jack! Go Sawyer! Go Ben!
Go Damon!
Go Carlton!
Let's get...
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1 – 200 of 276 Newer› Newest»Ah PJ....BMTA. At least about LOST. I was flooded with the same emotions and sentiments you so eloquently wrote about....Happy LOSTday little islanders...
BTW...I'm pretty sure you'll figure it out...but I also put in a FB request. MissKim does go along with Kimberly......:)
I was going to be all excited to write Happy Last Lost Day this morning, but after reading PJ's intro, I'm all depressed now.
Well, even if it won't be until next year that we can say it AGAIN, TODAY is LOSTday!! Yeah!!! I can hardly wait until tonight!! LOST never disappoints me, ever. I'm just in for the ride, where ever it takes me - and it is a fun ride!
I have NO IDEA who Jacob is, but I'm hoping that in a few hours we will at least have a big fat hint to chew on for a few months!
Sorry I depressed you flgrl! Cheer up! Three hours of LOST tonight! Whoo hoo!
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Oh goodness, happy LOSTday! I need to re-watch last week's episode, but I'm so excited that we get THREE hours tonight!!
But is it really 3 hours or is there a recap show or two in there?
Tonight, we have a one hour recap at 8pm, followed by the two hour season finale at 9pm.
From the ABC Press Release:
THE OCEANIC 6’S RETURN TO THE ISLAND, THE VIOLENT SHIFTS THROUGH TIME FOR THE REMAINING ISLAND SURVIVORS, LIVING IN ‘70S DHARMA TIMES, AND THE RESURRECTION OF LOCKE WILL BE EXPLORED, ON “LOST: A JOURNEY IN TIME,” MAY 13 ON ABCABC once again invites new and avid “Lost” viewers to take another look at one of the most talked about and critically acclaimed shows. “Lost: A Journey in Time” will explore the series in a way that will bring new viewers up to date — but which current viewers will also find illuminating – in discovering how the Oceanic 6 were able to get back to the island, what happened to the survivors left behind during the three years after Ben moved the island, and the fate of Locke. “Lost: A Journey in Time” airs WEDNESDAY, MAY 13 (8:00-9:00 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network.
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An interesting, and to me, new, theory came up at TBI.
Steve on TBI posted this:
I wanted to post this theory here because I wrote the following in support of a comment by a user “vacc” on another blog.
Posted by: vacc
I think that if Faraday’s plan actually works and 815 doesn’t crash on the Island, it was actually destined to crash into the ocean - winding up in almost exactly the same location as the plane Charles Widmore planted. This may explain Faraday’s emotional reaction upon seeing news of the plane’s recovery.
Perhaps the Losties discover this fact in the moments before Jack gets the chance to showcase his new bomb detonation skills..
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(Posted by Steve) I really think is a viable outcome. I Had put this idea in a theory document I keep. This conclusion is based on the idea that Desmond is outside the rules and can change events. Desmond causes Flight 815 to crash on the island, and since the plane was meant to crash into the ocean, all those survivors are factors that are not intended to be around. The reason the O6 must all return,is that they all need to get LOST on the island so that they are not variables in the equation. This is why Eloise says that they all must go back or God help us all.
Remember Aaron is still a variable. He was never to be born, and he is in the real world equation.
The only downsides to this are that all of them should be dead, and the events on the island may have no consequence in the outside world.
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I like where you are going with this. Interesting new twist! I guess we MAY find out tonight!
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posted by me:
This idea is certainly viable and much less aggravating than the “they land in LA” possibility.
What if, when the plane crashes “about where Widmore put it” and they DON’T all die? Maybe Widmore put the fake plane there to create the reality that was SUPPOSED to happen. Maybe those on “the list” (which list, I do not know) were the only ones who were supposed to survive?
Dunno. But it opens a much better door for me to go through than the idea that the plane lands safely in LA!
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The new thread at TBI is up. I need to decide if I am going to avoid it or not because there are already people posting stuff they are "speculating" like they JUST thought of it, when it READS like they watched the promos. I am always suspicious of people who SUDDENLY have a theory they hadn't thought of until LOSTday!
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Did anyone else see Michael Emerson and Jorge Garcia on The View this morning? It was a funny interview, they didn't really say anything spoiler-ish...but ME's wife was there too, they were cute together!
He said tonight will be a typical LOST finale, so hopefully that means it will be freaking awesome!!!
There don't seem to be very many Hammer sightings of late. Is everything OK Hammer? Just busy I hope? I miss your insights - a lot.
Well my son has a make up game and I am going to miss some of LOST. I can't believe it!!! Anyways, thinking that the plane crashes in the ocean...would that be like another reality? Anybody been watching the Fringe? Love the idea!!
Wow, Tasha - missing part of LOST??!! The sacrifices of parenthood are truly never ending!! Have fun at the game. I haven't watched Fringe yet, mainly because I have to get up so early to go to work (5:30 EST) so I have to jump into bed soon after LOST ends (like I can sleep!). Is it worth picking it up in earlier re-runs over the summer?
Tasha, Yes! All during the Fringe finale last night all I could think about was LOST!!
I agree it would make sense about the plane crash being an alternate reality but isn't J.J. also involved w/ Fringe and wouldn't that be kind of stupid to have two shows with the same "answers"? I don't know though, I feel there have been a lot of things on Fringe that make me think of LOST!
And Rita, I think it is definitely worth picking up in reruns, or on Hulu. Fringe is no LOST, but its pretty good.
Yay for the finale tonight, boo it is over for awhile :(
5 minutes!
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So far, the recap is pretty good. I like that D&C are in it - it kind of HAS to be cannon right? ME narrates. Love that.
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I agree - much better than the last re-cap IMO
I've been thinking about LOST all day, and I had a really silly thought pop into my head that I thought I'd share. How did the polar bears survive the purge? LOL!
I'm guessing that that question will NOT be solved tonight. :)
I'm jealous. You guys get LOST in 7 minutes!
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's Anubis AND We have found Jacob!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Crap I read what Rita wrote LOL. I'm back from game and still watching recaps. FF thru commercials so hope I am not missing anything. I am almost caught up with everyone else!!
I also read the WHATTTTTT on TBI. SO Im done til its over...lol So excited! Yall are so lucky and I know yall will not be reading this cause your eyes are glued to the tv!
Glad to see Anubis...Whisperer theory hanging on....
Hurley and the bus save the day again!
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I'm not going to TBI until after the episode is over. LOVING THIS!
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So, Ilana is with Jacob, we got a Vincent and Rose and Bernard sighting, a very happy day!! But WHAT IS IN THE BOX???
I am guessing a body of someone that shouldn't be dead because of he the 'rules'.
Vincent! Rose! Bernard!
Ben WAS pretending!
There IS a Jacob!
And it isn't Locke or Jack!
ANSWERS ANSWERS ANSWERS!
Now what the HACK is in that box!?
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And Jacob is making a "courtesy call" on each of the principals...
8) Jim
Jacob gets Hugo to go back...makes sense now.
I told you guys Hugo wasn't crazy!!!!!
This is soooooooooo cool!!!!
Got a feeling Locke is a goner.
Chang's arm is due to go away....
Juliet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JULIET!
Game changer....period.
Juliet lives? I cried my EYES out for the whole commercial and then she lives?!
The screen went white instead of black - do you think it means they're heading for another time jump?
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LOL
TBI is already down!
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Well, I gotta go to bed! I'll catch up with all your comments in the morning. Like I could even sleep now! WOW!!!!
How could you SLEEP now, Rita!? You know you will be up late THINKING about LOST, so why bother trying to go to BED?!
lol
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Okay, so the "living" Locke is really the guy from the beach (when 4TS was complete and TBR was out to sea) who wanted to "kill" Jacob... but he was still Locke - I mean he knew everything and everyone.
Color me confused.
The REST of the stuff... all awesome. So many good lines. My favorite part was when Phil got staked! (Though admittedly, I watched through my fingers.)
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Do you think that there will be some kind of time warp that will allow Chang to go back and make that video with Faraday? I know that D&C said no, but that could have been to throw us off the scent.
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So is the alive Locke that guy that was w/Jacob in the beginning of the episode? And if so, who is that guy?
Gup...maybe a Hanso?
Ooh good catch, Hammer. A HANSO! It has to be SOMEONE who has been around a long time... I like it.
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I'm not ready to buy that the bomb sends them back to LA...but if it did...I would be looking for a course correction that 'fixes' it.
Would this also be the person that was appearing as Christian?
I don't think the bomb sends them back to O815, I think it sends them back to the beach... maybe in 2007?
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Most likely Gup...he mention all the touble he had to go thru to get to that point.
Hehe, Bernard looked like a crazy Moses!
Seems like he found a way to take over dead bodies...the question would be...where is Christian's first body?
I have a headache. I was yelling at the tv after Julliet died. hen she lived. Thiought it was a set up for Kate and Sawyer to be together. I wanted to see who Annie was tonight. I can't believe they killed off Jacob before really explaining him. All this time he was in the foot? Another Moses reference. I need to watch that all again, but I am wondering if it is like Miles said...they just caused the incident. What lies in the shadow of the statue? We STILL don't know! Was that Latin?? I LOVE this show! I can't wait until 2010!!
I think he took over Alex's body too...to get Ben to help the fake Locke.
Looking back...many of the apparitions we saw may have been this guy.
Do you think he took over Christian's body? Alex's? Or de come back to the island in Locke's body? And if so, did Mrs. Hawking know so?
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Well...locke's body was found in the cargo hold...so it seems he is either an apparition or a duplicate.
Ramblings:
1. Who's the guy talking to Jacob at the beginning? He's not Locke portrayed by Terry O'Keefe, yet...
2. Is the ship the Black Rock?
3. Jacob visits Kate, Sawyer, Sun, Jin, Jack, Locke, Ilana and Hugo. Did I miss anyone?
4. I thought Rose and Bernard (and Vincent) were great!
5. I kinda looked like only the lower portion of Chang's arm was hurt. It was neat the way Miles yelled, "Dad!"
6. PJ, good question about the possible time jump. I like Juliet. I like Sawyer with Juliet a lot better than without, but I suppose there's more drama in the "without" option.
7. If Locke is really dead, that means that the guy walking around is unknown the guy from question 1 and that Jacob recognized him through his disguise?
8. "What lies in the shadow of the statue?" From the LP, "He said, 'Ille qui nos omnes servabit.' Servabit, not servabat. He who WILL protect us."
9. Is anyone mourning Phil? *snicker*
Time to shut up and think for a while.
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JiG
1 - dunno
2 - I think so
3 - I don't think so (but we did see a Juliet flashback WITHOUT Jacob)
4 - me too!
5 - yes and me too!
6 - agreed, agreed, agreed (though I wish not)
7 - guess so
8 - thanks for the translation - and so QUICKLY!
9 - not the least bit!
LOL
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I agree with EVERYTHING you said, DocH! Man that was great!
The only thing missing between that two hour episode and a truly amazing feature film was a car chase across a bridge, but we got a DHARMA van on the run to an imploding hatch, so I think it is a wash! LOL
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I can't believe that we now have approx 8 months to speculate as to what it all means and how it will all end!
Yes. About 250 days.
Nearly enough time to have a baby!
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My favorite quote of the night - "Well it's a wonderful foot Richard, but what does it have to do with Jacob?"
Who said that, Locke? Shouldn't the GUY from the beach (we're going to have to name him if he doesn't have a name) KNOWN that was where Jacob would be? That's where he was when they were together?
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On LP, they're referring to him as "Jacob's Enemy" but I think we can come up with a catchier name...
BG - Beach guy (or the ultimate BeeGee - Barry Gibb)
JE - Jacob's enemy
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That was a roose to get Ben and RA to think he was Locke...and to get Ben to go along because I think the loophole was that he couldn't kill Jacob. He had to get Ben to do it for some reason.
Btw, in tonight's commercial for that "what did you see" show, I think it was Sonya Walger on screen at the end.
Which reminds me - will we see Desmond again?
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Maybe BG couldn't kill Jacob, but he had to get SOMEONE to. Which means that he probably DID take over Alex's body. Maybe he even took over Keamy's body to kill Alex.
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Ahh yes...Keamy=BG, I like it...
Which just got me thinking...what if he took over Widmore too? Originally Widmore wasn't DHARMA, I have been looking for a connection. Adds weight to the 'what I've been thru' comment.
Indeed, Hammer. This is another "sixth sense" moment when you have to question EVERYTHING you've already seen!
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LOL PJ, the difference is I figured out the Sixth Sense about ten minutes into the movie....LOST hasn't given us enough yet.
Did you really, Hammer? Wow. I am usually good at figuring those kinds of things out and TSS got me good.
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Yeah...my wife was angry because I kept asking her throught the whole flick..."Do you get it yet?"
She kept asking "Get what?". LOL
There were definitely some good "happy" moments - when we first saw V, R and B for sure.
Inspired casting for "little Kate" and I suppose that was "little Tom" with her.
Little Juliet and Rachel casting wasn't SO good though.
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I love how Sawyer pointed out that he COULD have changed things by saving his parents, but didn't.
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Wow, ok I just finished watching and W-O-W! I'm really going to have to watch that one again and again. Did Jacob say, "they're coming?" before weird Locke-man kicked him into the fire?
Yes, LINS, he did.
Yes, DocH - Phil was MEANT to be irritating so we'd enjoy seeing him offed. He was the Frogurt for the 70's!
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And Kate didn't keep her promise to Jacob either... she stole from the bank.
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So BG could have been...
on island apparitions:
Walt and TGW
Boone
Yemi
Kate's horse (LOL)
Alex
Christian
Claire
off island apparitions?
Ana Lucia
Charlie
Libby
Christian
Claire
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Yep PJ...that's where I was going...AFTER you mentioned Keamy.
So here's a good question for you, Hammer... is BG behind the Whisperers?
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TLI Bedtime for Bonzo:
I still think D & C never address the whispers because it is too important to the plot...we'll 'see' them next season.
I bet you're right, Hammer - and Charlie will be the one to tell us about them! LOL
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My gut is no...Jacob is behind the whispers. The happen when the Others do their thing and I think Jacob control the Others and whispers and Smokey. I think there may be more than one Smokey too. One that killed seemingly for no 'good' reason and one who 'judges' before he kills.
Yeah, I was just kidding, Hammer. You have your whispers and I am hanging on to Charlie for dear life!
I wonder if BG can control Smokey too?
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I never understood why the pilot got killed and one of Danielle's group...no judging...just whacked.
Must be more than one Smokey.
I do like your Charlie explaining the whisperers....
We need to figure out how that white flash is connected to other white flash....
Okay, bedtime.
I hope the TiVo caught that!
Okay, I am off to bed myself. G'night Jonboy.
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Good morning Tillies!! Haven't been to TBI yet, but I caught up with all your comments (you guys are BRILLIANT!! :) One idea to add:
I was thinking when Jacob "died" that it was a "Lion, Witch, Wardrobe" moment - where Aslan "lets" the evil witch "kill" him, thinking she was now going to have free reign over Narnia (she also had to find a loophole in order to do it - getting Edmond to be a traitor) but REALLY she was releasing the "deeper magic" - making Aslan more powerful than ever, and overcoming death. With all the CS Lewis references, I think this will come into play here. Jacob will not stay dead. JE/BG has FAKED an overcoming of death all this time, but Jacob will do it for real.
I agree with your idea Rita. After all, we have just seen Jacob and a little background and then he's dead? I think he will be back stronger than ever and that the last season will explain more about BG and Jacob's past.
So does BG take over Jacob's body and come out proclaiming himself to be the ruler of the island? I mean, it wouldn't be that hard, "Locke" dismisses Ben and tells him to leave and then wham, BG becomes Jacob, comes out...Ben thinks that he somehow raised from the dead (because he would believe that now, since he thinks it happened with Locke himself), that he killed Locke inside the foot, and he is now going to be their leader and ruler?
Haven't read anything on TBI...just here. Actually, haven't read anything anywhere except here. Thanks Jim for the latin translation. I think it speaks volumes. Perplexed about "the loophole". Surely BG could have convinced someone over the many years to kill Jacob. Maybe BG is the manifestation of Smokey. Perhaps he's looking for "the loophole" by scanning people and by killing the "unworthy" he can possibly gain some sort of strength from their death. "The loophole" has to have more to it. Also, BG/Locke seemed surprised about some of the things Richard disclosed--like where Jacob was. BG isn't totally in the loop about what's what on the Island. Interesting that Eloise is the confirmed leader of Richard's gang. Which team was she really playing for? And Ben? How come he never got to see Jacob? I wonder what "He who will protect us" is protecting us from.....and finally to whom does "they're coming" refer to? Illana's people or Jack's? My hunch is that the big bang brings Jack and the gang to the same time as BGLocke.
Maybe BG did take over Christian's body and that's why Christian was in Jacob's cabin. Jacob may have known this and went to the foot.....the ash wasn't to keep Jacob in--it was there to keep BG out.
Maybe BG did take over Christian's body and that's why Christian was in Jacob's cabin. Jacob may have known this and went to the foot.....the ash wasn't to keep Jacob in--it was there to keep BG out.Ooh yes. And there was that break in the ash when Ilana went to the cabin... hmmm.
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Well I havent been to TBI. I am scared there is alot of catching up to do.
I just wanted to know if anyone thought anything GOOD about Jacob? So he was there in the Survivors past at times, but I had this odd feeling that some of the thingsthat happened...HE DID. For instance, when Sayid's wife was killed. Did he have some sort of hand in that? Sawyer's parents. Did he have a hand in that too? Something just seemed off about him. Some scenes he seemed good and others he seemed evil.
Also, am I getting this right? Did he bring Locke back from the dead when Locke fell out the window?
It was funny to me that Jack chose the Apollo bar out of the vending machine.
Something else was on my mind but I can't remember now.
Oh I remember, Jacob didn't seem at all worried he was going to get killed. He was pretty much a smart A>> to Ben and from my point of view he KNEW that Locke wanted Ben to kill him. He pretty much gives Ben a choice. It also seemed that instead of feeling anger toward Locke, he WARNS Locke they are coming. SO can someone give me their idea on this so I can get it strait? CLear it up for me? I would greatly appreciate it LOL.
FWIW, the ideas here are about the same as the ones on TBI without all the superfluous posts. LOL. There are some SERIOUSLY delusional posts on TBI. And LONG.
As many answers as we got last night, we got a whole new batch of questions, eh? It certainly looked like Jacob brought Locke "back" after the fall from the window.
I am not sure he had a hand in Nadia's death. I saw it more like he SAVED Sayid (but not Nadia).
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What happens (doesn't happen?) because Sun found and picked up Charlie's Drive Shaft ring? Why was Sun drawn to the crib?
Jacob's Flashbacks: I really expected Jacob to be waiting outside when Juliet ran from the family conference. What does this tell us? All the "important people," including the Oceanic Six Minus One, got a visit except Juliet. I left Sayid off my list last night! A visit means you live and no visit means you die, except for the not-very-alive Locke, maybe, and the terminal(?) Sayid, maybe.
Is it possible that Locke died when his father pushed him out of the window? Jacob stopped by after Locke hit the surface and woke him. Or is that resurrected him, improvements to follow?
I also like the scene with Sun and Charlie's ring. It also reminded us about Aaron and Ji Yeon - not that Sun seemed to reflect on that!
Jacob was not in Juliet's flashback, but she also got to the island a different way - through Alpert. Maybe that's the difference?
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LOL Tasha! Maybe D&C will post here and help clarify things for us! Here's my thoughts: Maybe the whole Jacob in white/BG in black was designed to throw us off. The possibility exists that BG is really the good guy--and the one who will protect us. Maybe BG and Jacob switched once upon a time and BG is really good and trying to get to his rightful place. Maybe Ben never "saw" Jacob because he wasn't the real Jacob. (If that makes any sense) I'm getting this whole "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" feeling....One God exists in three Persons and one substance. Jacob pointed out that Ben had a choice--as did Hurley (about going back to the Island) In addition, like Jesus, Jacob had a choice. He could have tried to talk Ben out of it. He could have fought. He could have ran. Instead, he accepted the choice that Ben made. Also, I keep thinking about Mr. Eko. Kind of ties in w/ BG and smokey being related. Maybe this is what Eko mean when he told Locke that he was next.
"Jacob's List" did NOT contain the names of Kate, Jack, Sayid, or Locke. Don't know about Sun/Jin and Hurley. Jacob visited all of the above mentioned people. Any connection?
By the Way--was that a RED HERRING that Jacob caught, cooked, and ate?
ROFLOL, Miss Kim. Good CATCH! (Pun fully intended.)
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In the cabin, Jacob's eye that we saw was brown. The Jacob we have met has blue eyes. BG had brown eyes. (BG/Black/Bad? and Jacob/White/Good? and Red Herrings.) Hmmmmm.
I'm confused about why Allana et al knew Locke's body would be of such significance.
And if they did, why when the 316ers first saw Locke coming out of the ocean, they didn't say, hey, we have your dead body over here?
Honestly, I don't think we can put any stock in what we saw in the cabin. Maybe BG is like Voldemort - just takes on whatever host to which he has access?
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Maybe BG is the real Jacob and he was in the cabin asking for help. The guy we think is Jacob is really not. After all--Ben never saw Jacob. Fake Locke could be the real Jacob.....having Ben kill the fake Jacob. Maybe BG calling the person eating the red herring "Jacob" was the red herring.......
I understand what you're saying MK, but had to read it through a few times to do so. I think that might be asking too much of the audience, but it certainly is plausible.
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Oh and I am no longer in the Anubis camp!
I also want to know if the Locke in Llana's box has on Christian's shoes.
B/c we definitely saw Locke/Jacob's nemesis w/ Christian's shoes.
I guess I'm just trying to figure out how the nemesis could inhabit Locke's body and still leave Locke's body to be in the crate.
I'm so confused!!
Wow! What an episode. I've seen a lot of talk about Jacob's beach companion being Smokey/Christian/Locke/etc. I like this idea. It got me thinking about Locke/Smokey manipulating Ben to kill Jacob.
Remember how young Ben was taken to the temple to be saved? Richard said that he would lose his "innocence". I'm thinking that Smokey (who lives under the temple) has been preparing Ben for this task for most of his life.
Shapeshifter?
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No time to read. Here is my stream of conciousness while watching. Couldn't watch till midnight after (and before) 14 hour workdays.
Pots. Spinning wheel. Firepit. Jacob! Yes, it is Jacob:) Who kids. Kate? Lunchbox. Kate! RA? No. How did Radzinski ensd up pushing the button? Body in box? Short commercials tonight. Kate? Sawyer! OK Jerry? Oh, Jimmy. WOID=WHH. Juliette!!! Nadia killed like Juls husband.
Sayid. what. Jin & Hurley:) Vincent!!!!!!:) Rose & Bernard? Yes!!
Yeah Lost. I love Rose! Body in Box? cabin. He is someone else. RA ______? Dark? Yes! Not Jacob. Nadia! No. Black and white = G & B (what did I mean by that) It? No (dead) hope. Locke window? Yes! Always there like Abadden??? Crib. Ring! yes. JAcob again.
Then I fell asleep. Please don't kick me out of LAA.
One more thing... there has been endless speculation about why so many people on Oceanic 815 are connected. The perspective has always been: how is it that they could all be gathered on one plane?
Jacob's visits got me thinking, maybe it is the other way around. Perhaps they are all connected BECAUSE they were all on that plane. Jacob knows who will be coming to the island, so he visits the losties during their lifetimes, causing connections to be made.
Too much to think about!
CM, funny notes. I love how you weren't sure what you meant when you wrote something - makes me feel more normal!
Do you mean you FELL ASLEEP DURING the finale?! I fell asleep during Jeopardy! while WAITING for LOST - you MUST be EXHAUSTED! Feel better.
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Jacob's visits got me thinking, maybe it is the other way around. Perhaps they are all connected BECAUSE they were all on that plane. Jacob knows who will be coming to the island, so he visits the losties during their lifetimes, causing connections to be made.
OOh I like this KtG. It makes sense.
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I hope someone can help me out b/c since last night I have been trying to figure this out:
I'm not sure if it was a movie or an episode on a tv show but I remember watching something where the characters went and found a big loom that people protected b/c the loom predicted the future. They would let the loom create a cloth and then look at the cloth really closely and decipher a code that told the future.
I kept thinking about this last night but couldn't remember where it was from. It could be something stupid and have no significance, or not. Any help? Thanks!!
So I have been thinking about the white flash. MAYBE our LOSTies flash forward (to 2007) and the remaining people on the island (Chang, Radzinsky) flash BACK - even just a few hours to when Daniel was still alive! Maybe then Chang and Daniel make the video, KNOWING what will happen very shortly.
Daniel may or may not still die, but Chang and Radzinsky know what will happen and work to minimize the damage and thus we return to our "previously scheduled future" with the cemented hatch, button pushing, new Chang videos, etc.
Maybe that's why Radzinsky is a button pusher, too.
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No idea, kF, sorry. Those scenes did have a very sci-fi feel to them.
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PJ said:
I understand what you're saying MK, but had to read it through a few times to do so. I think that might be asking too much of the audience, but it certainly is plausible.
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I don't think it's anything one more scene from the past wouldn't clarify. A flashback for the BG in the black shirt....
That red herring was put there for a reason. It had to be.
Another thought I just had, if Miles is possibly right and this is what caused the incident...or either way really, the course correction is that Jacob isn't supposed to die. Anyway, it either stops the chain of events that leads up to Jacob's death or they haven't stopped it yet. Did someone already say that?
Nevermind, TLI, the movie I was talking about was "Wanted"
It came out in 2008, starred Morgan Freeman/Angelina Jolie, etc and they were part of a secret fraternity that got their orders from the Loom of Fate that put binary code in the fabric.
I'm guessing no relation to LOST, sorry for the distraction :)
Glad you figured it out, kF.
I think Miles WAS right - and that Juliet knocking the bomb with a rock IS the incident, which means that NOTHING in the future changes!
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I agree, I think the bomb WAS the incident. Although it looked like things were king of going to hell before the bomb went off anyways.
PJ Said: Maybe that's why Radzinsky is a button pusher, too.
About Radzinsky, anyone else feel smug when he was being pushy and talking about how he was going to change the world? He's been such a jerk this season, and we know that his future is to be a lonely button pusher who kills himself. I couldn't help but think that he really messed things up for himself.
I noticed that, too, DocH. I think you're on to something there.
So... the guitar case?
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Doesn't mean you didn't think of it, DocH. Bottom line is that a good idea is a good idea, even if someone else thought of it first!
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DocH said...
...Juliet...
I, too, am in mourning, per an earlier post. All-in-all, Kate is the woman with whom you have a fling; Juliet is the one you take home to meet Mom.
(You "girls" out there may participate, but be respectful. *grin*)
I know I sound like a broken record, but the bomb is broken. It won't work. Then the producers decided that a former communications officer, following hand-written instructions by a non-nuclear physicist about a device the engineering of which he had no clue, removes a "core" that is almost certainly too small for a 1950s era device and rewires it so it will detonate on impact.
I know, it's television, but gimme a break here!
That white-out wasn't a nuclear burst; it was a time flash.
8) Jim
Agreed on all counts, JiG.
But I still think Evie is hotter than Lizzie.
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Whew, just got home from work and ran to the computer (like an addict running to get a fix, yes, I know...) LOVING all your ideas! Haven't been to TBI since this morning, so forgive me if someone there already said it, but I am thinking about Walt's dream - Locke standing on a beach and everyone wants to kill him. I really do think that Jacob is Jacob (no switcheroo with BG as suggested), and that Jacob = good, BG = bad. Anyway, back to Walt's dream. BG/Locke comes out, Ben says "he killed Jacob!!" (always the liar) and the Others turn on BG/Locke big time. That's what I am expecting to happen anyway. To me, there is no question that BG = Smokey and ALL of the various manifestations. But as I stated earlier, Jacob will not stay dead. He's the only one who actually CAN overcome death. JMO
Makes sense, Rita - and I will take it one further. By the time FLocke (Fake Locke, as someone on TBI cribbed from someone on another blog) comes out, Ilana et al will have convinced Alpert et al that Flocke is bad. Maybe the rest of the '77 LOSTies will have found their way to 2007 and the statue to join in!
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Hello, all--
sooooo sad about Jules & Sawyer--so many great/funny/sad moments in this finale...
and I'm very confused about Jacob.
So from what I'm reading here, and thinking, I think, there are these two guys, I can't exactly say they are good v evil, but one with position A opposed to the other with position B.
So the 'coming war' has to refer to the conflict btw these two, and those who stand with them. With Whidmore on the side of...BG? Maybe?
Or, just watching the beginning again, Jacob keeps trying to prove something to BG--"it only ends once, anything that happens before that, it's just progress"
Like gods in a tug of war over the worth of human beings
So Jacob's 'recruited' those he visited, for the next installment of god-chess...?
The LOOPHOLE--so that was getting someone else to do the deed? BG possesses Locke's shape--there was such hatred in his eyes some times, I thought, when he looked at Ben--manipulates the Great Manipulator into killing Jacob--
But Jacob knew it would happen one day, it would seem. Or it didn't much bother him that it might. He didn't try to self-defend or avoid or anything. In fact, he kind of provoked Ben's worst--what about you? Oh-ho! wicked.
And 'fLocke's all thrilled about how everything is going to change once they get rid of Jacob, and jacob's all, 'they're coming' which, we can only assume from these many months away, means our peops are coming back to 07, minus Jules & Dan & Charlotte, and possibly Bernard & Rosie, & Vincent, and they are somehow or other going to prove Jacob's point for him--whatever that point may be.
Hey Liz,
I think that if the '77 LOSTies flash, it will include B&R&V, but they probably won't even notice because they have their oceanside condo.
I would like to think that since Juliet lived to "cause" the flash, she will move with them. Perhaps we will find her in the hole that was left after the hatch imploded?
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Here's a thought I had... as others have said, perhaps it was BG who was "trapped" in the cabin and asked Locke for help. Maybe it was because LOCKE was the one that opened the door, or broke the ash ring, that BG could inhabit his shell.
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NOT reading TBI for a couple days at least...can't deal with the distractions.
I think that Juliette's rock job finally gave us a clue as to what the turning of the key did...sort of...I feel that she is NOT dead but. (I can only hope that she too will be running around in the jungle nude at the beginning of season six.)
I think that BG has been many if not all of the apparitions and manifestations we have been seeing. Including Ben's mom, SHE told him to be patient, he had to wait to meet Jacob until it was time to 'kill' him. I think Jacob is like Jesus in that he knew he would have to be sacrificed in order to win the war (that we still haven't seen).
Update on the translation of Richard's Latin from the LP:
"Whoever will help us, will help everyone."
The most recent edit comments that on-line translators often get the syntax wrong.
However, "He who WILL protect us," which I put up here last night, seems to actually answer the question.
8) Jim
I have been wading through the posts at TBI. There are some VERY VERY VERY VERY LONG ones that I try, but just CANNOT get through them.
However, there is one that merits notice, from frank:
I had a great theory and I am proud nobody else has said yet: Ben knows evil_locke is lying.
When Sun and Ben are at the beach she ask him “do you want me to believe that you have never met Jacob?” and he says “no, thats what I do, I lie”
He has being lying al this time , he makes evil_locke to believe that his scare of her dead doughter and that hi is gonna help him, but remember that ben was the one who said “dead is dead, nobody comes back from that”, he knows this is not the real locke, this is a plan from jacob and ben to fool evil-locke-dark-guy-of-the-beach.
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I think that might be quite telling.
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I would like to think that since Juliet lived to "cause" the flash, she will move with them. PJ, I really REALLY hope so!!! I would like her to be alive and heal and able to fight for her man.
Maybe it was because LOCKE was the one that opened the door, or broke the ash ring, that BG could inhabit his shell.ooh, I like that idea!!! It makes sense--and again, poor John Locke!! It sucks to be [have been] him.
I wonder if Terry O'Quinn has a contract for next season. Because in my mind..WHH..and Locke is dead.
That is to say...I now believe that when d & c said when you die, you die (because of my theory that the Christian we have been seeing is BG).
PJ, @ frank's comment:
Very plausible.
OK--looking at some stills of the opening sequence, with Jacob's tapestry, did anyone get a good look at the words on top? Are they, hmm, Greek?
Very plausible.
And very Ben-like - you know... to always have a plan. Plus, Ben didn't REALLY look like he was ANGRY enough to shove that knife into Jacob so many times. It did appear that he was remotely reluctant, but compelled, somehow, no?
But if the Whisperers are how Ben is always one step ahead, then I feel like BG can't be in charge of them, or at least not ALL of them.
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Yes, I think they are Greek, Liz. Jaime translated on TBI. Jamie, are you still lurking on TLI? I will cut and paste here for those not venturing of TLI right now.
per Jaime:
Across the top of the tapestry is a quote from Homer’s Odyssey ΘΞΟΙ ΤΟΣΑ ΔΟΙΞΝ ΟΣΑ ΦΡΞΣΙ ΣΗΣΙ ΜΞΝΟΙΝΑΖ means, “may the gods grant thee all that thy heart desires”
Another passage is woven into the middle of the tapestry. It can be only partly seen, but the passage in full reads, ΘΞΟΙ ΔΞ ΤΟΙ ΟΛΒΙΑ ΔΟΙΞΝ. means, “may the gods grant thee happiness
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Pretty impressive, if she is right.
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If the Greek is right (not that I don't trust Jaime, but just that I like for things to be backed up), then it points to Jacob perhaps working to build a utopian society?
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That is to say...I now believe that when d & c said when you die, you die Hammer, I think so, too!
PJ, may have miscommunicated. I don't think BG is in control of ANY of the whisperers. I still think the 'good' smokey and the whisperers are the native island security system and Ben sort of confirmed that by telling Danielle to run when she heard them. They appeared when the others appeared as well as apparitions (which is why said MOST if not all apparitions, etc.).
What do you guys think of the conversation between Jacob and BG about folks coming to island, fighting, corrupting, ending the same...and Jacob calling it progress?
The Evil Twin...now that we are heading into the final season...is it time to talk evil twin?
BG = Jacob's evil twin?
Hammer said...
What do you guys think of the conversation...
I wonder. It makes it sound as if Jacob wants progress and BG doesn't. We were taught that Jacob hated progress. Of course, we got that from Ben, who "might not" have been completely honest. *grin*
BTW, was Widmore ever allowed to meet with Jacob? Guesses only at this point, of course.
It's gonna be a looooong nine months!
8) Jim
I was trying to think deeper Jim. Like, what does it mean to the story? DHARMA's story fits, the 815ers story fits. Who else?
What did progress mean? WHH and time goes on?
Something's up at TBI, I can't get past post 310 and the screen is dark. Odd.
Btw, Hammer, I figured that is what you meant... I was more clarifying it for myself! *g*
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Thanks, DocH. Glad it isn't just me!
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I woke up today with a couple more thoughts:
Re: "progress" - Are any of you familiar with the story of Riggaletto? (I probably spelled that wrong) Riggaletto was trying to find someone who would choose to stay with him, despite his "ugliness" (there was a spell on him) - he kept trying to find the one, over a very long time. My point is that each time he failed to find the one, he COULD think of it as "progress" with "one ending" in mind. Jacob could have meant something similar.
Re: Jacob's "cold" response to Ben - it reminds me of a Biblical account of judgement day (Ben DID say he was returning to the island to be judged). The Bible tells us that many will stand before God on that day and tell Him all the things they did in His name, and He will say "I never knew you, depart from me" - meaning, they may have used His name, but they weren't doing it for Him. Ben may have truly thought he was serving Jacob, but was ACTUALLY taking orders from BG, Jacob's enemy. When Jacob tells him "what ABOUT you?", he was telling Ben "I never knew you". So WHO really healed Ben? Or did Jacob do it, and then Ben began serving BG rather than Jacob afterward?
Anyway, just some thoughts. Have a great day! It's beautiful here (finally!!)
I guess TBI is still having problems - still stuck at 311 heading. I hope they get it fixed soon!
Oh, thank you PJ, for the translations!!!! I haven't been over to TBI--Those are some very positive wishes. Jacob, the optimist?
“may the gods grant thee all that thy heart desires”
A lot of arguing, I see, around the Lost chats about the exact translations--I guess people are pretty certain it's from Odysseus--was the rest of the quote given around? Because it's kind of romantic.
Rita, great connection to Rigoletto! And to the judgment day analogy. I think you've got something good to chew on with both of those.
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Speaking of healing...and Jacob. He 'told' Ben to tell Juliette he would heal Rachael if she stayed. Did Jacob travel off island and 'touch' Rachael? I feel that the island's mysterious healing powers and Jacob are related.
Rita...you got me thinking about Ben's 'judgement'. (think 2 smokies). Ben tried to go to Smokey 1 for judgement but he never showed. Fake Locke took him to Smokey 2, for the fake judement instructional roose. Ben's true judgement came in front of Jacob himself?
Ooh, I like it Hammer. Maybe that is what we DIDN'T see of the Juliet / Rachel flashack. Juliet being touched (keeping her healthy?) and then years later, Rachel being touched?
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And I like your Smokey / Judgment scenario, too, Hammer. Makes sense, because FLocke appeared after Smokey left.
And remember, when we thought Smokey was going to appear near the barracks, out comes FLocke!
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Ok, I've been poorly sick for a few days so have missed out on all this. Still feeling like crap, but thought I'd chime in quickly before I forget it all.
1. I don't think the whispers or smokey are BG. I have always thought the whispers are souls trapped on the island (ala purgatory) or just people in another time period. Smokey, no idea.
2. Jacob is not dead. No way.
3. I feel like they're trying to make the whole good vs evil thing too obvious with Jacob and BG wearing those colors, etc. They seem more like warring gods (as was mentioned earlier) or something like the mythological twins Romulus and Remus or something similar. I tend to get all my mythology mixed up.
4. This brings me to the white light/white screen at the end. We've had a black screen with white writing this whole time. Wouldn't that lead us to believe that there is mostly darkness with a little light? Now we have a white screen with GREY writing. I definitely think it means much more than the bomb flash.
5. Finally... oh poor Juliet. Awful.
Back to being poorly now. Also, not going on TBI anytime soon so sorry if I've duplicated anything from there.
Yes flgrl...I believe that the LOST screne is an easter egg that everything has changed....
flgrl (and everyone),
No need to apologize for "repeating" anything that might be on TBI. Reading the posts over there is NOT a pre-requisite for posting here! LOL.
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flgrl, I agree that BG is not the whisperer....as far as Smokey...only because I think there are two. The second one may or may not be 'real'.
Hammer - 2 smokeys or 2 bgs?
I'm not so sure there are 2 smokeys. I think BG IS smokey, and that Ben has inadvertently been "serving" him - that's why he never got the fulfillment that he craved and would have gotten from serving the real Jacob. BG is a liar - his "servants" are liars (Ben). When Ben wanted something done, he called upon Smokey (BG) to do it - perhaps thinking he was calling on Jacob. Jacob always gives a choice, BG manipulates with lies until you do what he wants. I guess we will see! (but not for awhile :(
Ok, but now I'm wondering about Christian, when real Locke went to Jacob's cabin last season and Christian was there and said he could speak on behalf of Jacob - that makes me think Christian was BG - but Claire was also there, and presumably dead, and she was acting really weird, like fLocke, so can BG be two people at once, do you think? How does that work?
LOL. DocH.
First I am reading your post - thinking DEEP, this stuff is DEEP, I need to concentrate to wrap my brain around it.
Then I LOL at the rainbow smokey bit.
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Jacob always seems to appear as himself, as in all the flashbacks. I'm not sure if he appears as smokey, but I don't think so. I think all smokey sightings/apparitions are either BG himself, or there are others in his camp whom we haven't seen - more "beings" who are also disgruntled with Jacob. So then, who is on Jacob's side?
Miss Awesome posted this "last season they should totally have a lost ball.Im an event planner in NYC and i think im going to totally hook that up for last season" so I guess that puts to rest her being Leah.
Probably, CM. Or she's still reading here and trying to throw us off the scent!
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flgrl...two smokey's...one BG. One Smokey is the one Ben was able to summon(good side) and the other one from the evil side.
Yes...I still think Ben is on the side of good despite all his actions. :)
Hey all,
If you are prone to leaving this window open and refreshing, rather than returning to the home page, please take a moment to go to the home page and look at the new "photos" down the right side column.
LOL
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Lins, I don't think BG is Claire in the cabin...I think BG 'tricked' Claire (whether dead or alive) into thinking he is on the good side...hence appearing in Kate's dream to keep Aaron off the island. I think Aaron is going to be needed on the side of good and BG is working to keep him away....DEEP?
I am Prone! And that is funny. :)
As am I, Hammer, which is why I thought I should make an "announcement" here.
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Hammer, I thought that too, but Claire was acting SO different in that cabin, that was the first thing I thought of last night when I figured out it wasn't really Locke. So I don't know...I guess we'll find out - hopefully - next season when Claire comes back. It does make sense about Aaron though...
It's gonna be a long off season Lins. This loophole they threw at us is a game changer and we just didn't get enough to figure out what the heck is going on with dead folks. I'm still confused about Claire and not totally convinced yet that she's dead.
LOL great pics PJ! That was funny. I admit to being a refresher, so I would have missed that if you hadn't said something.
Hey, refreshing is a lot less time consuming than opening a new page every half hour! I am with you on that.
LOL
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Anybody hear anything about what is going on with TBI? Weird that it has been down so long.
My guess is that TPTB have no idea. I don't think they even check the site unless they get an email from someone complaining about spoilers.
And as long as I can hang out here with you, I am happy - but I imagine there are some other bloggers that are steamin'!
Or maybe, it is part of the master plan to help us with the withdrawal process!
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Haha! I agree, I haven't really cared much, because its more fun here anyway! I think a BETTER master plan for withdrawal would be to have more episodes! Lots and lots and lots more!
I know I'm still the new guy in town, but why does anyone want to go to TBI? *shrug*
8) Jim
I agree Jim...I didn't send an email to TBI.. :).
Well JinG, I guess because we all STARTED there! Most of us at least were first big islanders, but are finding life on the little island is more to our liking. Nevertheless, I guess at least for myself, I'm not quite ready to completely give up on TBI just yet.
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