Three guesses as to which character is the central focus in this episode!
I love Hurley and am excited to see this one. Will Libby be part of Hurley's FSW? Does Hurley play the same numbers in the lottery, and if not, where did he get the numbers and what are they? Might 51 (Kate) be one of the numbers now, and perhaps NOT 4 (Locke) or 16 (Jarrah)?
Can't wait!
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Boy...no mystery in who this episode is about. I like how the title name mimics the season 2 episode title.
I definitely think Libby will appear in this episode just not sure if it will be in FSW or on the island talking to Hurley. What if Libby is Libby Reyes in the FSW?
I too am wondering if the numbers are the same and do we know exactly why Hurley was in Australia this go around? I don't think it was to visit Sam Toomey, but I may be wrong.
I had a thought about the numbers. What if the "six" numbers were supposed to be seven or more? We know that Hurley got the numbers from Leonard who got them from Sam who heard them repeated over and over in a transmission. What if the person who was speaking the numbers was TRYING to list all the "remaining" numbers and could only remember six?
I dunno - just a thought.
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lost4ever said...
...Libby Reyes
Now there's an interesting thought!
"Everyone Hates Hugo" was emotion rather than fact; iirc, that was the episode where Hugo served up the feast from the parachute drop.
Will "Everybody Loves Hugo" really be something entirely different?
8) Jim
I predict a Hugo episode.
I also predict the numbers DO NOT change...whh.
I hope we get to see Libby too and I hope it involves Desmond finding FSW Hurley!
There's an interesting item you can read by going to LP's main page and linking out. Jimmy Wales, creator of the Wikipedia, wants more Lost, possibly as a movie.
Boo! Hiss! As much as I love this show, when it's over, it's over. (That's a corollary to WHH.) If some Hollywood producers got their hands on Lost, we could bet that they would screw it up somehow.
8) Jim
I would love to watch Lost in order. Starting with 1954 and going to 2007 after it's over. i'm sure someone will put that together somewhere.
Circus Mom said...
I would love to watch Lost in order.
Hmm... I wonder how much of what we saw would be turned upside down. How would it affect someone who had never watched the series through the six seasons? The shock of that first flashforward would be gone because we'd already know they were off the Island.
Three hours (plus) and counting...
8) Jim
What's up with tbi? No new post yet. The natives are getting restless...
I would love to watch Lost in order. Starting with 1954 and going to 2007 after it's over.
I thought that in Season 4. Of course, time traveling, and second versions of the time after 1977, would make it difficult to do now. Plus, they would have to start in 1867 now! (Or perhaps earlier, depending on what we see in the next seven hours.)
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Whispers then a dead guy shows up.....hmmm.
Ilana just joined the ranks of whisperer..lol.
Ilana just joined the ranks of whisperer
And Doc Arzt...although the explosion seemed like what happeened to Jacob when he was in the fire.
Sorry if I'm a little behind...but is Libby like Desmond and Charlie and Daniel now? Like she's seen something, about love that should change her life?
Lins, I think so.
Anyone else feel like hugo is acting like the real locke used to?
Hammer said...
Anyone else feel like hugo is acting like the real locke used to?
Yep, a raft, a sub, a ship...
Wonder why Libby was in the crazy house the first time we saw her though, how long has she been time travelling, or conscience travelling?
The way Libby was talking about watching TV and having memories of another life sounded a lot like Dan looked when we first saw him watching the OA815 wreckage when he was crying...
Hammer!
Whispers explained!
hooray!
Happy dance for you!
and all of us!
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Huh....the whispers are stuck dead folks....grinning from ear to ear....even though I thought they would be all people that died on the island.
Man, and the showdown between Richard and Hurley...a lot like the one between Locke and Jack...so many parallels!
how long has she been time travelling, or conscience travelling
I thought she said the memories of another life started happening only a couple of days ago after she saw Hurley on TV. Not really sure if it is the same as time or conscious traveling.
Bowing humbly PJ.
So who do you think was stuck on the island whispering to Danielle? Or the first time Sayid heard them? Whisperers unknown to us? Or the same ones just stuck in a time loop?
Guess the island's done with Desmond.
Wow. That final scene with Locke looked exactly like when he first got up and started walking on the island
Yes the island is done with des because he served his purpose traveling to FSW and started the meshing.
If locke dies.....course correction1
Ilana, I can lose.
Desmond, not so much. I think that his magnetically charged self is probably hovering above the bottom of the well, held in place by the magnetic charge from the island.
IMO, Frank will be a casualty next week. When he was the only remaining "non" LOSTie with Hurley's group, I said he will be next to die.
The Libby/Hurley scenes were perfect. Absolutely PERFECT.
Have I mentioned that I kind of like this show a little?
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I hope you are correct PJ because I need Des to crawl into the cave with Penny to be A&E.
OK, I totally thought that Desmond was going to go down the well and find the FDW and turn it and align the timelines...that would have been too easy!
And I don't think Locke can die, just like Jack and Michael couldn't die in their FF, I don't think Locke will die in his FSW.
And Jack looked terrified to see Flocke in the camp!
Ilana, I can lose
Me too but I hope the address the scene when Jacob visited her in the hospital or at least a little background on her.
If locke dies
I am guessing Jack will be called in now to consult Locke.
I just posted on Pj's status that Hammer should be happy about something..I wanted to say whispers but didn't want to spoil it for anyone.
Desmond is starting to creep me out.
Was that the same little boy Locke saw last time? I thought the kid had blonde hair?
Okay, someone please remind me where Jin is....
Jin is still with Widmore's group
I think it's supposed to be the same boy, he looked a little older though...
I totally thought that Desmond was going to go down the well and find the FDW and turn it and align the timelines...that would have been too easy!
It could still happen.
Was that the same little boy Locke saw last time? I thought the kid had blonde hair?
No. The last boy was younger, and had curly blond hair.
Okay, someone please remind me where Jin is....
Widmore kidnapped him. My heart broke for Sun as she entered that camp.
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Was that the same little boy Locke saw last time? I thought the kid had blonde hair?
He was played by the same actor.
Thanks Lindsay...how could I have forgotten that already? I guess I was so excited Sun finally made it over there and I kept looking for Jin. *sighs* I might never get to see a reunion.
Thanks everyone else too:)
I totally thought that Desmond was going to go down the well
Wait...wasn't that a different well. I am confused, I thought the FDW was under the Orchid station which should still exist.
Well Locke went down a well to get to it once also....
Yes, it was a different well...just wishful thinking on my part :)
Well Locke went down a well to get to it once also
Right but that was in the past. I thought the orchid was built over the well.
Hmmmm..I need to go look that up real quick...interesting point
The last boy was younger, and had curly blond hair.
Kind of like taller ghost Walt.
How fitting was it that after seeing Locke throw Desmond down the well, we see Desmond run over Locke. Was being thrown down the well by Locke a memory he had and is that why he ran him over?
L4E...I was going to ask that same question.
Or is it because he wanted him to have a near death experience? Seemed a little more harsh than that if you ask me. He could have KILLED him the way he hit him with that car.
So I am leaning toward him having a memory. I don't know though. Did Desmond have something to do with Hurley and Libby meeting? He was watching them at the beach...
Bedtime for Bonzo:
If the whisperers are stuck on the island, then they need the cork out of the bottle. Maybe they are not on MIB's side, but they have a mutual goal...to get off the island.
Did Desmond have something to do with Hurley and Libby meeting
I think he was just following Hurley and after the convo they had he felt he accomplished his mission with Hurley. Next mission, time to try to kill Locke.
Good one Hammer!
I think Locke is going to live because, let's face it, he never dies and now Jack is going to "fix" him. Hope this isn't spoilerish, but the end of that episode pretty much tells me next week will be a Locke FSW. I may be wrong though.
lost4ever said...
Did Desmond have something to do with Hurley and Libby meeting
I think he was just following Hurley and after the convo they had he felt he accomplished his mission with Hurley
I agree, I think he put the idea in Hurley's head that he should find out where Libby thought she knew him from, I think he knew that something would happen to make Hurley see the "island truth" if he connected with his love Libby.
Maybe they are not on MIB's side, but they have a mutual goal...to get off the island
That's the way I understood it.
I am still not satisfied with the explanation they gave us though. Michael was a bad person who killed Libby, I don't recall all the whisperers being bad though.
He was played by the same actor.
How do you know? I couldn't find "boy" in the credits!
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Never mind, I found it on IMDB. I wonder why he looked so different this episode?
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I am still not satisfied with the explanation they gave us though. Michael was a bad person who killed Libby, I don't recall all the whisperers being bad though.
I wonder if WhisperMichael isn't giving us the whole truth? Maybe he "thinks" he is stuck on the island because of what he did. Or maybe the writers just had him say that so regular folks would remember he murdered Libby?
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Well after all this time, I think we deserve a better explanation..JMO..so maybe we will get more.
Same kid, but CLEARLY meant to look different:
http://www.theackattack.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/loveshugo.png
http://www.theackattack.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/800px-6x04_KnowTheRules.jpg
So the question is... WHY?
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Maybe they were twins...but one is dark and one is light. I have no idea.
Maybe they were twins...but one is dark and one is light. I have no idea.
Hmmm. That makes a lot of sense. Good call!
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Well, ALL the people who died on/near the island don't seem to be "stuck" there - we have seen Anna Lucia and Charlie (maybe others) off island talking to Hurley. Or were these all FLocke? and if so, then HE isn't stuck on the island either. Michael said he was stuck because of what he did. I'm confused! ~Rita (Good job Hammer! I did the happy dance for you when Michael confirmed your theory!! :)
Every time we get a big answer, I get a little sad...because it's a reminder that the series is almost over!
Whispers: those who "can't move on"...maybe it is because they "have work to do"?
I know that some people have transcribed the whispers with software, thought I've never heard any of it, but it seems like Shannon was a whisperer. Maybe that's why she wasn't on the plane?
I don't know. But there's a reason they can't move on, the island isn't done with them yet.
FSW Desmond is seeming the most like old timey Jacob with his manipulating of people to get them to do what he needs them to do. Locke wasn't really manipulating them to go back to the island, just straight up telling them to.
Here is something ponderous. Christian showed up on the freighter and told Michael he could 'go now'. We assumed that meant he atoned for killing Libby and Ana Lucia and the island was done with him so he could die and move on. But now he's a whisperer trapped on the island because of what he had done. Huh?
What is the significance of 3 years? It keeps appearing.
Locke turned the wheel and skipped 3 years ahead.
The OT and FSW take place 3 years apart.
Des pushed the button for 3 years.
Juliet was on the island for 3 years before 815 crashed.
They were in the 70s for 3 years.
Ethan was born to Amy 3 years after Paul died.
Is there some kind of time loop that repeats/resets every 3 years?
Chang mentioned some kind of experimental station during the awards speech. Knowing that FSW Roger was in Dharma but left, who's to say that FSW Chang isn't still involved in Dharma?
And someone mentioned that Chang didn't look like he'd aged much. Don't know if it's all that electromagnetism or something else "experimental", but I agree.
Shelley: But there's a reason they can't move on, the island isn't done with them yet
Hammer: Christian showed up on the freighter and told Michael he could 'go now'
Interesting point Shelley and good response Hammer. I too am confused.
Rita: Or were these all FLocke?
I dont think so. I dont think everyone that died on the island was stuck there.
flgrl: FSW Desmond is seeming the most like old timey Jacob with his manipulating of people
Right and why would they all want that "other" reality. Take a look at Hugo. Everybody Loves Hugo. Why would he possibly want to travel back to the other reality?
Especially if his memories bring back the memory of Libby's death.
Thanks Rita.
I am confused yet too. I am thinking that the maybe folks are correct that the whisperers are still yet everyone that died, but maybe only some are stuck?
It appeared that Smokey killed Eko and the vision we saw was him being 'freed' and walked off with his brother. I wonder why Michael wasn't so lucky.
Shelley: What is the significance of 3 years? It keeps appearing
3 is a magic number.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxmKRyLdBho
lost4ever said...
Right and why would they all want that "other" reality. Take a look at Hugo. Everybody Loves Hugo. Why would he possibly want to travel back to the other reality?
Especially if his memories bring back the memory of Libby's death.
Me: I don't think he saw Libby's death, did he? I think he just saw them together and realized that he was in love in this "other world".
I think that's the point, all of their lives seem to be what they always wanted (Hurley is lucky, Desmond has Widmore's approval, Dan is a musician, Sawyer is a good guy), but what they're missing is that conscience altering love that Charlie talked to Des about.
So I guess the question will become, what's more important to you? Getting what you always wanted (MIB) or love (Jacob), at least that's the way I see it.
3 is a magic number.
ROFLOL.
Originally, I thought the three year time span (1974 - 1977 and 2004 - 2007) was so that they could explain why Walt was so much bigger, and that there were three years in studio time.
With all those examples of three years though, maybe not.
I wonder what Tarzan will have to say about last night's episode?
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Also I felt like Flocke made a point of asking Desmond how long he had been in the hatch. "3 years" was the reply. Not 3 years, 2 months, 5 days, (for example), but 3 years. Has to be something there.
Not 3 years, 2 months, 5 days, (for example), but 3 years.
That's come up before. I agree that Desmond might have said "three years, two months and four days" if he had been in jail or something, because it was a LOO-OOO-OOO-NG time. However, there are two things to keep in mind. First is that Desmond might not have had an exact count of how long he was down there. Second, most people don't say "three years, four months," under ordinary circumstances. I mean, unless they are a few months from their eighth birthday or something *g*
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So everyone in the FSW is in LA now. Not that we know why. BUT...Des flew in on business, had a driver, etc; I get the feeling he doesn't live there. Not sure what it means, but he is the only one we know of that DOESN'T live in LA.
scratch that...Claire doesn't live in LA. Still curious though.
Jin and Sun don't live in LA either. And possibly Charlie, since he was playing a concert.
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conscience altering love that Charlie talked to Des about.
Right and Hurley is now with the woman he experienced that with. So why go anywhere?
I get the feeling he doesn't live there
Widmore said "welcome to L.A. Desmond". To me it sounded like he had never been there before.
Whoever asked if it was the same well, Locke said there are many wells.
I think Desmond is different because he wasn't brought to the island. He ended up there on his own.
lost4ever said...
conscience altering love that Charlie talked to Des about.
Right and Hurley is now with the woman he experienced that with. So why go anywhere?
Right, maybe Desmond isn't trying to get them to go back to their island timeline, just to meet the people that they were supposed to fall in love with so that their lives will be complete? Sounds cheesy, but who knows!
Right, maybe Desmond isn't trying to get them to go back to their island timeline, just to meet the people that they were supposed to fall in love with so that their lives will be complete? Sounds cheesy, but who knows!
I was thinking that at first, but with Locke, he's got Helen. And I don't even know if Des KNOWS that.
I'm also bummed we don't get to see his coffee date. Unless we see it via Juliet's flashsideways...
According to Jorge Garcia, in his script for ELH, it is explained that Hurley found a dollar bill, used it to buy a lottery ticket, and used the serial number from the dollar as the numbers. The jackpot for the FSW lottery was $187mm (versus $114mm in the original timeline). Probably just filler since it was cut, but I thought it was interesting.
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I think the well is The Well. We've seen it in a number of different states of repair/disrepair from when Locke started down (best) to when it was nothing but a rope sticking out of the ground (worst). MiB said there were multiple wells, but I don't think he meant on the Island. It's nice that we have a reason for its construction: The problem with compasses spinning. There was a lot of theorizing about the well being built because the rope was sticking out of the ground because there had once been.., kind of like that compass (hmm...) that Richard gave to Locke so he could give it to Richard so... (That's a lot of elipses!)
8) Jim
Going back to the last posts on "Happily Ever After," I guess we won't see an Ilana-centric episode. *grim smile* That's a shame. Although I agree they might slide something in as part of some more Jacob background, I think Ilana's backstory could have been interesting.
Desmond may not be history, yet. People seem to fall from immense heights with some regularity on Lost and live to talk about it. It might be "turn-around is fair play" for Desmond to be seriously injured at the bottom of that hole, but to be able to crawl to the wheel and turn it just enough to cause some event, like pulling everyone back from SWT.
"It ain't the fall that kills ya; it's the sudden stop."
8) Jim
I think the well is The Well
Wasn't the orchid built over the well? I thought that's what Faraday said in season 5 when he stayed behind to weatch Charlotte die.
Kinda glad they cut that PJ. I like the story of him owning the chicken shack better although it would have been neat to find a dollar bill with the numbers on it.
Also glad you got a laugh out of the magic number song. It is currently being played in ESPN 3 adds and rung a bell from my youth. The lyrics about the past, present, future are interesting.
Desmond may not be history, yet.
I dont think so either. What safer place for Flocke to keep him hidden then at the bottom of a well.
I agree that Desmond isn't a goner yet...I think there's a reason that Flocke took him away and threw him in a well where he's nice and far away from the rest of the losties
The Orchid and the Well
Good question. I think the well itself was close to the Orchid. After one of the timeshifts when the Orchid "disappeared" (because it hadn't been built yet), Locke et.al. crashed off into the bush a short distance to the Well. Meantime, in the modern era, getting to the wheel chamber through the Orchid required riding down an elevator, walking down a corridor, destroying the test chamber, crawling through a passage, and climbing down a ladder. *whew!* It looked closer in "The Lie(?)"
8) Jim
BTW, does Desmond really think that MiB is Locke? If so, he wasn't very well briefed by Widmore.
8) Jim
What safer place for Flocke to keep him hidden then at the bottom of a well.
And he even provided him with a torch to carry as he wanders around down there.
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I thought there was a discussion about Locke turning the wheel on the opposite side of what Ben did? They did make a big deal about the well. Could the writers be trying to tell us something here...Like Ha Ha! The Orchid isn't here now. Let's say it IS The Well. Is there a way for that to be possible?
I am really starting to forget stuff this season...it has me all confused:P
Debunk this:
What if the FSW Locke is actually MIB escaped from the island and stuck(like Ilana said) in Locke’s broken body? What if Des ran over MIB trying to kill him in FSW? What if the incident lead to MIB’s loophole and now Des is course correcting and meshing the timelines to fix it?
That has certainly crossed my mind, Hammer.
Especially because I still think that the FSW is really a FF.
(I just don't see a FSW 2004 coming together with Island 2007.)
One step further...IF FSW Locke is MIB, he can probably ALREADY walk but doesn't in order to keep the island magic under wraps.
I do look forward to all the folks that will be at the hospital already. Should make for some good Dezzing.
The problem I have with FSW being an FF is that the flight happens in 04. How can it be an FF? No matter what, the current time (even if they weren't in it) is 07.
You may be correct that they don't mesh 04 to 07, but FSW IMO has to be in 04 (or at least started our viewing in 04).
I am also trying to figure out what happens when everybody in FSW remembers everything that happened in the first timeline. What's the point of remembering if it's not to do something about it?
I don't mean typical FF I guess; I just think that the FSW timeline is triggered as a result of what's about to hit the fan on the island. Maybe Des turning the wheel?
Like Des's earlier words, "it wasn't a dream, [Pen,] it was a MEMORY." those in the FSW that have "seen it" recall it as though it has already happened. In the past. And Des AND Hugo saw events that took place AFTER 9/22/04, regardless of WHAT time line you're in.
So maybe it's just a do-over type of time line; like a loop.
I also think that Jack waking up in the jungle after 815 suggest he might have flashed out of the plane, Ajira-syle. If so, that's a huge clue that 815 wasn't his first time to the island.
I've always had a feeling that Locke's been to the island before; predicting the weather, etc.
AND if the FSW happens after the island time, it's easier for me to believe that FSW Locke might indeed be MIB. That would explain why Des was acting vengefully.
I was reading the transcript for the ep, and Chang referred to Hugo and/or his efforts more than once as a beacon. Reminded me of the Lighthouse. Not that it means something, just caught my eye.
Quick thoughts.
Des in not dead. Locke fell down the same well and lived. The well could have been filmed with the orchid behind the camera.
FSW 2004 happens as a result of what is about to happen on the island. I'm sticking to that.
Once Des gets everyone to remember the island they all decide to go back, together?
If Michael is stuck on the island because of what he did then Juliette should be stuck there also. She shot Pickett on the beach to help Kate and Saywer escape.
I don't know if you guys have seen this, but I really enjoyed it. It's JJ Abrams talking about the importance of leaving a little mystery to things. He's such a great speaker.
There's a video link at the bottom, and if it doesn't work for you, you can find it easily on youtube/google keywords "jj abrams mystery box".
http://boingboing.net/2008/01/10/jj-abrams-ted-talk-m.html
I saw that on TED a while back, Shelley, and you are right, it is REALLY good. Thanks for reminding me about it.
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I haven't watched it in a while, but I'm reminded of it every time someone freaks out about how much they're not going to answer with LOST. I think they'll at least leave enough clues to where we can draw our own conclusions and then verify them with several re-watches of the series!
Did I mention I watch all of the seasons before a new one comes out. Certainly I'm not the only one...you really DO see "new" stuff every time!
I hear you, Shelley, but as I said on TBI:
Honestly, if you were to name the MAJOR things that you feel you HAVE to know to feel satisfied, what would they be? To me, at this point, a lot of the questions that USED TO BE important to me, no longer are. For example, do I *really* care how the polar bear got to Tunisia? Not anymore – just assuming that it was a FDW thing is enough for me.
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Had a hard and buisy day. Had to restrain myself from putting the definition of conceived on TBI.
Had a hard and buisy day. Had to restrain myself from putting the definition of conceived on TBI.
LOL I went through the same thing. There are some definite newbies there these days!
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I really cannot possibly express how completely undone I am, but if ANYONE will get it, I know you will.
Daniel Dae Kim just posted to Facebook (and it really is him):
Sunday, April 18th: 4:37 AM Hawaii Standard Time: Daniel Dae Kim: series wrap: LOST
We've joked about how we need meetings because we are addicted, but seriously I am having an anxiety attack.
Breathing deeply.
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All good things must come to an end.
Silver lining: we will know what was in JJ's head when he created this master piece.
New Ack Attack is up:
http://www.theackattack.net/?p=1726
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