Tuesday, April 20, 2010

The Last Recruit

With the "centric" episodes behind us (I believe), the reference in the title leaves the net wide open. Will this refer to Widmore's last recruit? MIB's? Jacob's? Mystery Boy's?

The countdown to the end is creeping up on is. After this episode, we have only three hours before the finale. Daniel Dae Kim posted to Facebook that LOST has "wrapped" which means filming is done. Honestly, I am starting to panic. Breathe in, breathe out. Breathe in, breathe out.

Breathe in.

Breathe out.

105 comments:

Hammer said...

I would guess MIB's last recruit. Seems to me that he's ready to make an attempt at getting off the island.

Jim in Georgia said...

Perhaps Desmond is the Last Recruit. His name was not seen in the cave or the lighthouse, but the paperwork is always late.

8) Jim

Hammer said...

After reading Will's episode post on TBI, Jack being MIB's last recruit to leave the island with him makes a lot of sense.

Lindsay said...

Jack was the first name that came to mind when I read the title...he and Locke have so much history together that it makes a lot of sense to me. Maybe we'll get to find out who David's mother is toon(that was his FSW son's name, right?)! It is sad that they're finished with it already, I'm still in denial!

Jim in Georgia said...

The finalists for "The Ultimate Lost Fan Promo Contest" are posted at ABC.com

http://abc.go.com/shows/lost/fan-promo-contest-vote

For some obscure reason, ABC won't let me in to vote, even though my ID and password match those ABC emailed to me when requested. So, I need everyone to vote for the one I like. It's...

8) Jim

Jim in Georgia said...

Ha! Fooled 'em. I created a new account.

8) Jim

lost4ever said...

Hammer: Jack being MIB's last recruit to leave the island with him makes a lot of sense

That's what I was thinking. I am also wondering if Jack will be called in to operate on Locke after Desmond hit him with the car. How did John Locke come to be in the wheelchair in the FSW?

lost4ever said...

BTW...LOST is not airing a new episode next week so I wonder what kind of cliff hanger we will get tonight

Rita said...

lost4ever said...
BTW...LOST is not airing a new episode next week so I wonder what kind of cliff hanger we will get tonight

WHAT???????????!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jim in Georgia said...

They're gonna show "Ab Aeterno" again.

There's chatter on the LP about reduced investment in the show now that it's demise is a known fact. Apparently it's being shown at late night with virtually no promotion in Australia. There were a lot of complaints about the "poor quality" of the set for the Well; I thought it looked fine; it was nighttime!

8) Jim

lost4ever said...

Now were getting somewhere.
MIB = CS and Locke was a sucker.

Hammer said...

Speechless...really.

lost4ever said...

Things are really coming together in the FSW. Things we have mentioned have been answered like Sawyer not arresting Kate and Jack operating on Locke.

Did Sayid really kill Desmond?

lost4ever said...

There were a lot of complaints about the "poor quality" of the set for the Well

It sure looked deeper last week. How about the part of the beach Sawyer and Kate left for the boat on. It looked exactly the same as the one they arrived on.

Jim in Georgia said...

Weel, I'd thought for some time that MiB was "later Christian," but I wasn't sure about early on. When MiB takes on the shape of a new person, he needs the body (dead, of course). Does he just leave the old body behind? When he was zipping around the Island as Smoke was Locke's body lying there waiting for him to come back? At the time, it seemed that he converted to Locke, then picked up his machete. Where are Christian's and "Titus Welliver's" bodies?

Sayid said he killed Desmond, but did he?

8) Jim

Hammer said...

Bedtime for Bonzo.

MIB can only take the form of dead folks. The apparition of Walt was not MIB. Was Walt Walt?

lost4ever said...

Hammer: The apparition of Walt was not MIB. Was Walt Walt?

Yes. I believe that was answered in a podcast.

PJSander said...

I am late to the party tonight, but WOW. Lots of answers tonight, and only one MAIN question - why couldn't Flocke kill Desmond? (And no, I don't think Sayid really killed Desmond.)

: ) P

Jim in Georgia said...

Interesting point on the LP: The Mysterious Boy (who may be two boys) RESEMBLES (kinda) David Shephard. Hmm...

8) Jim

lost4ever said...

PJ:Lots of answers tonight, and only one MAIN question - why couldn't Flocke kill Desmond?

Good question, is maybe he an unknown candidate. Another question is why was Sun so afraid of Locke in the FSW?

PJSander said...

Another question is why was Sun so afraid of Locke in the FSW?

I thought maybe she had a near death experience, and "saw" the other time line?

The Mysterious Boy (who may be two boys) RESEMBLES (kinda) David Shephard.

Looked like two boys until I saw the close-ups. I dunno. But neither versions of the mystery boy look ANYTHING like David Shephard. Except that they are all male and under the age of 18.

: ) P

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Lindsay said...

So the Christian Shepard we saw in Jacob's cabin was really MIB...who lied and said he could speak on Jacob's behalf...so ultimately it was the MIB who started all this "move the island" business?

PJSander said...

So the Christian Shepard we saw in Jacob's cabin was really MIB...who lied and said he could speak on Jacob's behalf...so ultimately it was the MIB who started all this "move the island" business?

It would appear that way, yes. Which means moving the island was part of the plan? Ah gees.

Thanks, Jim, for the link to the voting. The finalists were all good, and I actually got goosebumps for a couple. The "Questions" one was a lot like what I wanted mine to look like and included a lot of the same clips, so that makes me feel pretty good. I noticed, that as some of us predicted, none of the finalists used ONLY what was available on the site.

: ) P

Lindsay said...

Best Sawyer lines of the night - "Who the hell's Anakin?" and "That pilot that looked like he stepped outta a Burt Reynolds movie"

The Sun/Jin reunion made me cry...knew it would :)

Did Jack go over the dark side?!?

PJSander said...

Best Sawyer lines of the night - "Who the hell's Anakin?" and "That pilot that looked like he stepped outta a Burt Reynolds movie"

Agreed. We haven't had any really GOOD ones like that for a while.

The Sun/Jin reunion made me cry...

Me, too.

knew it would :)

Me, too.

Did Jack go over the dark side?!?

Don't think so. I think that as usual, Jack has no CLUE what the #ell is going on!

: ) P

Hammer said...

I doubt Jack is on the dark side, but MIB seemed convinced that he was. I didn't see anything that would make ME think he was...he jumped off the sail boat(proving he wasn't gonna help MIB) and then got knocked senseless by a rocket...what'd I miss?

Thanks L4E @ the Walt podcast...and for ruining my BTB....kidding.

Jim in Georgia said...

David Shephard and the Mysterious Boy are not the same person and don't look the same, but there's something about the intensity of their expressions, especially the eyes.

8) Jim

Shelley said...

"MIB = CS and Locke was a sucker."

I can see that, but I'm also taking it with a grain of salt. I think MIB may have been telling Jack that because he knows that's what Jack thought of Locke. He also may not know that Jack is/was coming around to be a man of faith. And MIB has a habit of saying what people need to hear.

Ok, now..."The Last Recruit". Did we ever see MIB have solo talk with Hurley? I remember for all the other "recruits", but not him.

I'm still convinced that the FSW is the future. If so, I'm up in the air about whether FSW Locke is MIB. I thought if initially, but then Locke considering calling Jack about the surgery kinda put a hole in that for me. But I'm not ruling it out.
Oh, backing up my "FSW is the Future": MIB asked how Des knew he was blasted with electromagnetism, and he said "experience". As in "as a result of turning the fail safe key, I began to see THE FUTURE." [and it happened again.]

Now I'm starting to wonder if Desmond is the new Jacob. His Ilana ties make me think that, along with all of his intervening. IF Des is the new Jacob/Protector, and FSW Locke is MIB, I can see Des trying to run over Locke because he knows he can't kill him. The rules and whatnot.
And yes, I remember the island is sunken, but it's not like they can't Go Back (in time) if they think there's still work to do or SOMEthing...

Shelley said...

oh, w/ my previous post, I believe that MIB was CS. And there's truth in Locke being a sucker, but I think MIB didn't mention the faith part because he knows Jack didn't believe.

Shelley said...

prolly would've cried during the Jin/Sun reunion if my boyfriend hadn't made a big "AAAAAAAAAAANNNT!" sonar fence buzz!

Love that her English came back, but I still feel like such an emotional meeting would've been in Korean. More primal for them.

lost4ever said...

I remember for all the other "recruits", but not him.

I don't remember him meeting with Sun or Jin.

MIB calling Locke a sucker. You may be right but for me it was confirmation. I have thought Locke was a pawn for a loooong time and hearing MIB say it made me smile.

lost4ever said...

I thought maybe she had a near death experience, and "saw" the other time line?

I guess that is what I am wondering. What and how much are they exactly seeing in their other timeline? We have only seen two "memories", Desmond and Hurley's and they seemed to be about true love.

I agree on the MB and David Shepherd. They look nothing alike. However, there may be 2 Mysterious Boys, even though they are played by the same actor.

lost4ever said...

The Sun/Jin reunion made me cry

I thought for sure they wouldn't get the fence turned off in time. Or maybe I was just hoping.

Sorry for ruining the BTB.:)

lost4ever said...

...so ultimately it was the MIB who started all this "move the island" business

It appears that way now although I am pretty sure he never spoke on Jacob's behalf. It makes sense that he would want the island moved if he knew Widmore was the one trying to find it.

Shelley said...

MIB met with Sun and caused her to hit her head when she ran from him. He met with Jin alone while Jin was bandaging his leg. Less exciting then, but still. They all got alone time except for Hurley.

My boss said "what if Des died during the electroblast and Jacob took him over? That's why he's different." Not on board with that yet, but interesting.

Hammer said...

Oh I like that Shelley, it's a game changer. That may have been the sacrifice Widmore meant. Hmmm.

Also, Des's comments to Sayid sounded like something Jacob would say.

Hammer said...

Bacon, you should throw that on TBI.

Shelley said...

Just did. Might also explain why MIB would try to kill Des instead of recruit him...

Shelley said...

AND, if MIB knows Des has been Jacobofied, he KNOWS Sayid lied about killing him; that question/order could've been a test (of Sayid) all along.

Jim in Georgia said...

Reading my entry from last night has me thinking that I should not blog without a full night's sleep.

Smoke has appeared as:
* Yemi
* Alex Rousseau
* John Locke
* The Man in Black
* Isabella
* Christian Shephard

In the case of the first three -- and probably four -- "impersonatees," the bodies are on the Island. Isabella never visited the Island. Christian Shephard's body is missing in action.

So:
1) A person has to be dead for Smoke to impersonate him/her.
2) A person's body has to be on the Island for Smoke to touch someone else while impersonating the dead.
3) Smoke can move things. He was able to remove Christian's body from his casket and put it somewhere else. "Somewhere else" probably wasn't very far away. Dense jungle can hide a lot of things.
4) Smoke's ability to use the dead is what drove the Others to honor their dead through "Viking funerals."
5) Smoke can travel over water for at least a short distance, as in to Hydra and to the Kahana.

Questions:
1) If the sea burials restricted Smoke, why did the Others leave all those bodies in the open pit?
2) Were the dead soldiers "available?"
3) What was happening to Rousseau's and Karl's bodies (partially underground)?
4) Did a body have to be unburied to be useful?

8) Jim

PJSander said...

Wow. TBI has been busy today. I left with 86 posts, and returned to 170! I skimmed them - reading yours of course, but if there is anything really GOOD over there, please post it here! LOL

: ) P

lost4ever said...

Might also explain why MIB would try to kill Des

Just poking holes at the theory of Desmond being Jacob. If Desmond was Jacob and MIB wanted to kill him wouldn't he have given the knife to Sayid and tell him not to let him speak?

Great questions JIG. I have answers for none of them. I am just as puzzled on the whole burial issues of the island beginning with the open Dharma pit.

lost4ever said...

JIG:* Isabella
I cant remember when that was. Could you please refresh my memory?

What about Ben's mother? Was that MIB also and if so how?

lost4ever said...

Shelley: MIB met with Sun and caused her to hit her head when she ran from him. He met with Jin alone while Jin was bandaging his leg. .

Thanks Shelley, couldn't remember.

PJSander said...

Someone mentioned (here or TBI) that Ilana didn't have an accent in the FSW. According to Jorge Garcia, it was IN THE SCRIPT that she not have an accent.

Interesting...

: ) P

Jim in Georgia said...

Isabella

After the Black Rock ran aground (there's an understatement!) and Smoke had killed Whitfield, the man who bought Richard, "Isabella" appeared to Richard and told him that they were both dead and in Hell.

There's an image on the LP of Richard and Isabella touching, so, back to my previous, conclusion number 2 is shaky. Maybe it's more like "grasping."

8) Jim

PJSander said...

When DDK posted that LOST had wrapped, he was only talking about HIS scenes. Jorge Garcia is supposed to wrap today, but there are still some scenes until Sunday or Monday. Since they film everything out of order, it unfortunately doesn't give us any clues!

So now I can get sad all over again on Sunday *G*

: ) P

Circus Mom said...

I think its interesting that they are showing Ab Aterno next week so I rewatched it last night and noticed a few things.

The wild boar knocked Richards "tool" out of his hands to hamper his progress. Seems like the same boar that didn't like Sawyer.

Whitfield brought Richard et al to the island in chains (Inprisoned) and then started to kill them because he said that if he released them it would only be a matter of time before they would kill him. This sounds like the situation between Jacob and MIB (inprisioned).

Circus Mom said...

It bothered me that Ilana kept calling Jack MR Shephard.

Water,
Flocke said he appeared as Christian because Jack needed to find water.
MIB brought water to Ricardo in Ab Aterno and to Richard after catching him and hanging him in a tree.
Locke is conected to rain.
Healing pool.

Something about water???

Circus Mom said...

It is so obvious, Mib is stuck in Locks body because they burried the body.

Jim in Georgia said...

Circus Mom said...
...because they burried the body.


Ilana said he was stuck before they went to boot hill. I think it's because they burned the cabin; I can't think of any other reason to burn the cabin.

8) Jim

Shelley said...

I figured he was stuck because Jacob is dead. Or because Jacob saw MIB as Locke.

Lindsay said...

Shelley said...
I figured he was stuck because Jacob is dead. Or because Jacob saw MIB as Locke.

That's what I thought as well...because if that wasn't true, wouldn't that have meant that he had been stuck as Christian before then? I mean, how was he able to change form to so many other people and then all of the sudden he's stuck as Locke...it only makes sense to me that it's because Jacob died, the rules had changed, he found his loophole. I can't believe we have to wait a whole week and a half now...this stinks!!

lost4ever said...

I figured he was stuck because Jacob is dead

That IS why he is stuck as Locke. At least that's the way they made it sound in a podcast

lost4ever said...

Isabella

Thanks JIG. I guess i got confused between Ilana, Isabella, and Isabel ( the "sheriff" ).

lost4ever said...

If MIB was Yemi, why did he want Eko in the hatch entering the numbers?

lost4ever said...

"Dead is Dead" was on last night and all the signs that MIB was Locke were there. It was kind of funny watching it knowing what we know now.

This also triggered a thought I had when thinking about Whatever, happened, happened. WHH is true up until the bomb exploded. Eloise still killed a man claiming to be her son on the island and WHH is her theory. That's why she is so resistant to Desmond in the FSW.

Jim in Georgia said...

lost4ever said...
"Dead is Dead" was on...


Back when it first aired and people were theorizing that "Locke" was the Monster, I was saying, "No, it can't be true." So much for that. *shrug"

There was chatter on the LP theories about surgery on the dural sac. Turns out that Locke is Jack's third "documented" dural sac issue. (There were probably a lot more since they specifically called for Jack from the hospital.) The first was the teenaged girl where "Christian gave Jack a time-out" -- successful. The second was Angelo Busoni -- Unsuccessful. When I was researching this last night I found a theory that Angelo was Jacob. Hmm... Another one bites the dust.

There are a lot of old theory pages on the LP that no one has looked at for ages.

8) Jim

Circus Mom said...

Started to rewatch season 1 last night. Noticed that in "The Pilot part 2" after smokey grabs the pilot out of the plane and starts chasing Kate, Jack and Charile it starts raining and smokey disapears.
Smokey seems to be getting stronger and there seems to be less rain on the island (as pointed out on TBI).

PJSander said...

Smokey seems to be getting stronger and there seems to be less rain on the island (as pointed out on TBI).

This was also mentioned in a podcast. I think it may be more than a coincidence. Good catch!

By the way, I have been OOP all weekend and have not caught up on TBI. Anything important going on over there?

I am so bummed about no new episode this week especially because this is the ONLY Tuesday in the next six weeks where I am not required to be somewhere else!

: ) P

Hammer said...

I bailed on the TBI thread when they started debating what year the island timeline is in. (slamming my head on my desk)

Hammer said...

Less rain on the island...hmmm. MIB seemed to create the big storm that landed the BR, but he is blocked by water? What gives?

PJSander said...

New Ack Attack is up:
http://www.theackattack.net/?p=1758

: ) P

lost4ever said...

seemed to create the big storm that landed the BR

See I thought it was Jacob judging by the convo they had on the beach.

Hammer said...

I took it as Jacob brought them to the island (snow globe), but MIB created the storm in his fury over the fact that Jacob was 'doing it again'.

Jim in Georgia said...

The Arrival and the Storm

Personally, I'm not convinced that the two sequences were the same arrival. I know that's what TPTB said, but I think they were trying to think on their feet. Even a non-sailor like me can tell that the two vessels don't even come close in appearance. The hulls are different shapes and the rigging is different.

Basically, it's a HUGE continuity error.

I like the idea that the storm was raised by MiB. Jacob brings new life to the Island and MiB strikes out and kills them all.

8) Jim

Lindsay said...

Hammer said...
I took it as Jacob brought them to the island (snow globe), but MIB created the storm in his fury over the fact that Jacob was 'doing it again'.


Me: These may sound like stupidly obvious questions, but humor me if you don't mind...so in that conversation b/t MIB and Jacob, MIB basically says that Jacob is bringing people (Black Rock) to the island to prove him wrong to which Jacob replies that MIB is wrong.

So Jacob is trying to prove that not everyone is inherently evil? That given a choice, people will choose right over wrong? And until Richard came along to speak to the people for Jacob, the MIB had been "winning"?

Jim in Georgia said...

Lindsay said...
...the MIB had been "winning"?


Not stupid; good point.

Made up version of the conversation:

MiB: Everything you try goes wrong. You're incurably optimistic in the face of reality. I'm winning.

Jacob: It ain't over 'til it's over.


One simple good act overcame all the bad?

Addendum to the Storm: To do what he did, MiB had to have an immense amount of power over the sea and the wind. If he still had such power, Widmore and company wouldn't stand a chance. Think about the tornado we had march entirely across Mississippi this past weekend. If he could do that... Is he weak because he doesn't have all the candidates with him?

A guy on the LP wrote a neat little theory:

The Man in Black is losing control of the situation
The Man in Black may have "recruited" Jack (at least that's what he thinks) but other than that has lost control as he is now facing opposition in multiple locations:
* "Team Widmore" has provoked him repeatedly and thinned out his followers
* "Team Richard" is heading for the Ajira plane to destroy MiB's escape vehicle
* "Team Sawyer" and Claire have separated themselves from MiB and pursue an agenda of their own
* Sayid may have had a change of mind and would thus be no longer reliable
* Desmond may still be alive and perform[ing] tasks on the main island counter-productive to MiB's plans

8) Jim

Hammer said...

Lins...I agree with jim that ius not stupid.

You pretty much summed up MY take. I'm not certain if that is what was meant....but its what I got out of it. I struggled mightily for a long time as I stated here when we first saw that conversation...but its how I now interprete it.

Jim in Georgia said...

From the enhanced Ab Aeterno: The doctor's medicine was fake and he was conning Ricardo. So? How does that fit into the flow of action? I see writing for the sake of filling in the space.

8) Jim

PJSander said...

From the enhanced Ab Aeterno: The doctor's medicine was fake and he was conning Ricardo. So? How does that fit into the flow of action? I see writing for the sake of filling in the space.

I did not watch the rerun, didn't even consider it might be enhanced. I agree that much of the pop-up is just to fill space.

Anything of interest actually show up in the pop-ups?

: ) P

oh and I agree that Jim is not stupid *g*

Hammer said...

No. I didn't see anything interesting in the pop ups.

I was bummed that they didn't 'confirm' that MIB created the big storm though...:)

lost4ever said...

I was bummed that they didn't 'confirm' that MIB created the big storm though

That's because Jacob did. :) He brings people to the island not MIB.

Hammer said...

Darn you L4E (having fun here), I know THAT, we already saw the ship coming (Jacob's doing)...I'm saying that I think MIB created the storm the wrecked the ship and the statue!

Why would Jacob wreck the statue?

Hammer said...

I guess I'm going to have to concede. I looked on LP and it says that Des's boat was hit by a strong storm too. Assuming Jacob brought Des to the island...seems consistent.

(exits bowing whilst walking backwards)

Jim in Georgia said...

Okay, Jacob brought the ship, expecting it to anchor in a cove and ther occupants to debark safely. MiB didn't want that, so he raised the storm with the hope of killing everyone. Destroying the statue was:
1) An unintended consequence.
2) An intentional act because the statue...

Was the statue an observation platform? We'll probably never know.

8) Jim

Hammer said...

Thanks Jim, that was what I did a poor job of explaining.

Jim in Georgia said...

Hammer and I were typing at the same time. Oceanic 815 was also brought to the Island by a storm. It then broke up in clean weather. Ajira 316 approached in clouds and almost encountered "cumulus granitus," We don't know about the drug plane's "delivery," the conditions under which the pre-DHARMA people (Ellie, Widmore)arrived or How the Army found the Island.

There's enought here for Season 7!

8) Jim

Jim in Georgia said...

"Enought?" Sheesh!

8( Jim

Shelley said...

i agree with you guys; jacob brought them and MIB made the storm(s) happen. like hammer said, why would jacob wreck the statue?
i also think this stormage fits into the connections circus mom was making about Water and the island.

Circus Mom said...

I think the storm has something to do with coming in on the wrong bearings. Similar to the storm when the heloed out to the freighter and got slightly off course.

PJSander said...

Unless the storms (helicopter, O815, Elizabeth) were a side effect of the bubble which protects the island?

: ) P

Jim in Georgia said...

I wasn't sure until Hurley walked out of the jungle after following Richard to where he'd buried Isabella's cross, but they left out the conversations on the beach between Hurley and Isabella and between Hurley and Jack in which Hurley basically says, "Mind your own business."

The first we can infer, but I thought the second was an important part of Hurley's development.

8) Jim

Hammer said...

Good points cm and pj.

lost4ever said...

Just playi9ng Devil's advocate on this one. , it's really not goona affect my storyline much at all but

CM:Smokey seems to be getting stronger and there seems to be less rain on the island (as pointed out on TBI).

PJ:This was also mentioned in a podcast

Sounds top me like there is less rain because Jacob is dead. If Smokey is getting stronger and he is connected to rain/storms wouldn't they be getting stonger also?

Thinking about something JIG said earlier about the people we have seen Smokey "inhabit". How did he become Richard's wife Isabel? She was never on the island as the other people we have seen him as were.

Hammer said...

Apparitions L4E. I think MIB can take the form of a body he has access too, but can cast an apparition of anyone he chooses with one rule...he has to 'scan' the person he want to influence, finds a person(very important to the scanee) to cast an apparition of, then does it.

Shelley said...

I wonder the difference in the apparitions vs. inhabiting the bodies. I think Isabella was an apparition though because Smoky was kickin' butt up on deck while Isabella was talking to Richard.



Am I wrong for having a crush on Ricardus and not Richard?

Hammer said...

"Am I wrong"....just snorted iced tea out my nose.

PJSander said...

Sounds top me like there is less rain because Jacob is dead. If Smokey is getting stronger and he is connected to rain/storms wouldn't they be getting stonger also?


There hasn't been a LOT of rain since season one (except for time flashes). I thought it was because they were tired of filming in the rain. Now I do wonder if the lack of rain correlates to Smokey's strength. But does Jacob's death have anything to do with it? My guess is no, simply because Jacob only just died and the lack of rain has been for several seasons. So... Is Smokey stronger because there is less rain? Is there less rain because Smokey is stronger? *IS* there really a correlation?

: ) P

Shelley said...

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Rain

lost4ever said...

the difference in the apparitions vs. inhabiting the bodies

I was unaware that Smokey could cast apparitions, was that mentioned in a podcast? I know at one time D & C mentioned there were apparitions but I guess I didn't realize Smokey was the one casting them.

Thinking about it more didn't Isabel physically touch somehting?

lost4ever said...

*IS* there really a correlation

I though they talked about it in a podcast. It makes me think of the 3 forms of matter Smokey ( gas ), rain ( liquid ) and their physical forms ( solid ).

Jim in Georgia said...

Buried among some of the useless (sorry) ramblings on the Ab Aeterno/Theories page on the LP: MiB is trapped as Locke because the body has been shown to people while MiB was in that form (two Lockes). That dovetails nicely with Ilana's statement that they were carrying Locke's body around so they could show it (to Richard, although other people saw it as well?).

This does not explain why the body had to be buried, although that could have been common decency, now that the corpse had served its purpose.

Now I step into DEEP water. Ben:
1) Was serving MiB by bringing the body back. MiB wanted to be able to use Locke's form and needed it close by to do so. Jacob countered by calling on Ilana to form a protective group to reveal the truth.
2) Was serving Jacob by bringing the body back. Jacob knew that MiB could not resist the opportunity to use Locke's form and called on Ilana to form a protective group to reveal the truth.

Whose side was Caesar on?

8) Jim

ps: FlashForward tonight, if anyone else is still watching.

PJSander said...

We're still watching FlashForward, though we are weeks behind and I believe lost some episodes off the too-full TiVo. Will probably try to watch over the summer in our post-LOST stupor.

Gave up on V though.

: ) P

Hammer said...

L43...I am assuming smokey is the 'caster' because that ias how I take it until they show me something different.

Jim...I'm still watching FF.

lost4ever said...

That's cool Hammer. After watching the pop=up version it stated that was not Isabella, it wasthe snoke monster that has taken her form. For some reason the "reading" of Richard by Smokey was cut from that episode.

Not sure if it was mentioned or confrimed before but they did say the statue was Tawaret.

PJSander said...

For some reason the "reading" of Richard by Smokey was cut from that episode.

The first time an episode airs, it might be 1:02 or even longer. They have to cut scenes for the pop ups.

Not sure if it was mentioned or confrimed before but they did say the statue was Tawaret.

I think we have talked about it before, but it is good to be reminded of it.

Man, this is a LONG two weeks. I can't imagine what June is going to feel like.

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lost4ever said...

here is some good news...in the next 21 days we will see 5 hours of LOST

PJSander said...

Great work on the silver lining, L4E!

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Lindsay said...

Oh my goodness, is it Tuesday yet? I'm going crazy!!

Jim in Georgia said...

In passing:

FlashForward is apparently in ratings trouble. We'll get to April 29 (in-universe), but probably never see another season. That's a shame, imo. The guy who manages the gym we go to said something to the effect of, "They can invent another version of CSI (Body -- hair sample -- arrest), but they can't do something new." I'm kinda hoping against reality that SyFy will pick it up.

V is also reported to be "ill." I'm glad I never got into that one.

We've reached that point in Lost that similar to being near the end of a really good book. You can't bear not knowing what's in that last chapter, but when you're done reading it...

8( Jim

Hammer said...

Yeah Jim, it's a crying shame that the vast majority of TV watchers want their drama to be wrapped up in a one hour slot. FF IMO is riveting, but the mind numbed robots don't have the attention span.

PJSander said...

The vast majority of TV watchers want their drama to be wrapped up in a one hour slot.

Maybe SyFy (Am I the only one who thinks that is a stoopid way to spell that?) will pick up all these serials and build up an audience? Surely one of the lesser known cable channels will take that chance?

I think FF is its own worst enemy right now. If *I* were running the show, I would take it off the air entirely until LOST is over. Then play the already aired episodes weekly to build up to the new episodes. Also, I would play the new episodes during the summer when there is little competition in "new" dramatic programming. (Hey, it worked for the original programming in the baby Fox years!)

That's just me.

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