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Jack IS the only candidate, IMHO.
Jack is certainly the obvious one. I a waiting to see if Des is still Des though....
ROFLOL, DocH!
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This episode is supposed to be Jack/Locke-centric, right? Sounds to me like L4E is right, Jack is the candidate...I'm just excited for a new episode!
Nice lead-in, PJ.
Maybe Hurley is the Candidate. Remember season one? It was Hurley who took that first important step of "conducting a census." That's how they found out about Ethan Rom, that they weren't alone.
Hurley was the butt of jokes early on. It's good to see him emerge with some purpose.
Wish list:
* What's Desmond's status?
* Is Sayid recovering?
* How does Sayid's "being dead" connect?
* Was he, as Miles said, really dead?
* Blond Boy: Who? Representing?
We had a real ass on the LP. He created a username that was, in itself, a spoiler and started putting stuff all over the blogs; I was able to lock the guy out but the name is something I didn't want to know. Now we have to watch for him to find a new IP to log in from and do it again.
8) Jim
Very intriguing, JiG. When all is said and done (ie May 27th) will you tell us the offender's spoilerific name?
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PJSander said...
...spoilerific name?
I will. I'll even try to do it without being reminded. *grin*
8) Jim
DocH said...
..."Looking Glass".
Roger that. I don't think they can use that sub for the whole journey. How could Daniel get from Ann Arbor so quickly after Jack and company arrived in 1977?
8) Jim
I don't believe mib anymore that he needs them to go with him.
I guess that prediction was bit obvious.
I'm watching a little behind tonight on the DVR so sorry if they answer this tonight, but where the heck are Alpert and Miles?
Claire is saved because Aaron is the candidate.
Wow...that was a great episode.
My jaw dropped when FST Jack told FST Locke, "You're a candidate."
Dead:
* Sun
* Jin
* Sayid (Recovered (Wish list))
* Frank
Alive:
* Desmond
* Jack
* Sawyer
* Hurley
* Kate
* Claire
* MiB
Unknown:
* Richard
* Miles
Now how does MiB get off the Island? His pilot is dead and his submarine is destroyed. I'd be very unhappy if MiB were able to fly that airplane.
How does anyone get off the Island except by whatever method the Others had to get back and forth? Richard knows, because he returned to the Island almost instantly after he showed Juliet the video of her sister. TPTB haven't come clean on that one yet.
I thought the Sun-Jin ending was well done.
Jack has to be the Candidate and Desmond becomes his "deputy" or something like that which I may make sense of later. Penny gets left behind and all three kids get written out of the plot.
I feel like MIB doesn't want to leave by any kind of vessel.
He wants all the candidates dead so that he is truely free.
Then he is free to go whatever that means.
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Then he is free to go whatever that means.
Yes, MiB can travel whenever he wants. (So much for my theory about djinns.) The presence of Jacob or Jacob's successor is what binds him to the Island. If there is no successor, poof! he's gone.
Back to my last ramble: Maybe Richard was kept young only as long as Jacob was alive. It was Jacob who touched him. He will now age (gracefully?) and Desmond will take his place.
8) Jim
I think Jack is right. I think the candidates will have to choose to die or kill each other. Jin died because he wouldn't leave Sun. SO I see it as...SUn killed Jin, because of his love for her. I don't know but I thought it really sucked. They had just reunited. MIB knows not everyone died. How does he know that? Is all this already planned out? He can only kill a certain amount at one time? I am confused lol.
I forgot Ben is in that list of unknown persons also. It was a great episode, although I could have done without all the emotional aspects today, too much of a rollercoaster for me!! But it was well done and I can't believe Sun, Jin, and Sayid are gone!!
I agree, I think MIB just wants all the candidates to die and then he will truly be free. As long as there is no one to replace Jacob and oppose him.
Great episode, can't wait to watch it again!!
Good point Tasha...Sayid chose to die, Sun indirectly killed Jin and herself...I think because MIB has some special "force" power knowledge thing (how's that for specific?) that he used to sense or know that not all the candidates were dead. Makes me wonder if Desmond really is a candidate, wouldn't he know if Sayid had really killed him? Or maybe he does and he's got a plan for that too? I'm so confused, sorry I'm sure I'm not making much sense, it's been a long night!!
Oh
my
lanta!
Sun and Jin's deaths were heartbreaking. Did anyone else expect to hear the Titanic theme playing?
So much to process.
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Or maybe we can blame Sawyer for killing them.....but do you think the bomb was really going to go off the first time around?
Absolute heartbreaker to watch Sun and Jin, but what do we make of Jin passing Locke in the hallway just afterwards?
I'm definitely buying Desmond as the Richard replacement. Same kind of vibe and he does have to "make a sacrifice" and all.
I think they were all able to die on the sub because as Jack said, they killed each other when Sawyer pulled the wires on the bomb. Apparently that kind of thing is ok in the big fancy rule book of Jacob.
Do we know for sure that Frank is dead? I missed that.
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I guess Jin and Sun can be scratched off the list of possible Adam and Eve:P
I don't think they confirmed frank's death PJ....just assumed.
Apparently that kind of thing is ok in the big fancy rule book of Jacob.
That's funny. I would like to see that book at the end. Okay, so who was the candidate?
Apparently that kind of thing is ok in the big fancy rule book of Jacob.
Was that, perhaps, the "Book of Law" that Alpert showed the five year old John Locke?
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Tasha...as I said earlier...I think it is Aaron. MIB kept claire away. He's keeping her around to somehow get his hands on Aaron me thinks.
Okay, so who was the candidate?
FSW Locke, for the surgery.
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Oh nice catch PJ!
So what is the significance of the music box? It played "Catch a Falling Star" I think.
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Good catch on mirror doc...also the song is a recurring aaron and claire theme.
Okay so I have heard this many times before...but was looking into it again tonight. I just don't know any way of getting around these laws and rules....could this be the game of Senet with real life pawns? I have looked into it before, and the rules that people have tried to come up with (since there ARE no recorded rules they can only go by ancient pictures) is this....
"Now, remember, players want to get all their men off the board, past square 30. But none can leave the board until all of this player’s men are past the first row, past square 10 in other words. If even one man gets put back to row 1, then not a single man can leave the board until every last one of the men are off the first row."
But I have read in places that they believed the Egyptians used human pawns because it is a game of souls...
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You just had me FREAKED out because I took off the 26th for my kids graduation which is on a Wed so I was scrambling. You mean the 23rd right??
I am not sure if I saw this discussed, but right before Sayid takes off with the bomb he tells Jack about Desmond and how Jack will need him. Need him for what? Then when Jack asks why are you telling me this...Sayid says, "Because it's going to be you, Jack."
Could this be "The Candidate?"
You mean the 23rd right??
Yes, so sorry. Sunday, May 23rd.
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Speaking of games, in backgammon, you take any pieces off of the board (which is the objective) until all pieces are in the final 6 slots of the home board.
This episode was awesome regarding the amount of things that happened, but it felt rushed at times. And some of the dialogue felt spoonfed... as though they're writing it for people who just tuned back in this season. Not trying to harsh on my favorite show, I just think that in the long run, season 6 may not be my favorite season. It's not right now at least.
I guess I'll throw all of my Adam & Eve chips towards Rose & Bernard.
I agree that MIB just wants everyone dead. He probably wasn't expecting so many to go with him when he made the ultimatum at the Temple. I also agree that there may not be any physical "home" he's trying to get to, but just as a reminder, one can also leave the island by turning the donkey wheel and ending up in Tunisia.
I had an awesome LOST dream where I was on a vessel, and the front half was like a plane, with seats/aisles, and the back half looked like a sub. And I was with Kate and we were debating about throwing a bomb out of the submarine.
I agree with those that said MIB doesn't need to physically leave the island to be free, he just needs the candidates dead. So why did he take the explosives, planted by Widmore, off of the plane?
Lindasy: ...Sayid chose to die,
He committed suicide to save the others because of Sawyer's action. I think Jack was right and the bomb would not have gone off.
In the FSW, Locke was experiencing the other reality in his dream.
3 candidates down and 3 to go.
Now what are Ben, Miles, and Richard up to?
So why did he take the explosives, planted by Widmore, off of the plane?
I see it as, he wanted to get them all in a confined area with no chance of escaping. If they had been on the airplane and saw the bomb, they would have all had a chance to run out and away from the explosion. The bomb was hooked up to go off when someone tampered with it...(Sawyer)...so my guess is MIB thought they would all die. Then realized they didn't..THE END.
justguessing on TBI is suggesting that Aaron is MIB. I just can't see LOST trying to tell us that MIB/Smokey and Aaron can exist together in the same time lines.
What do ya'll think?
I don't see it Hammer. Is there some kind of theory behind that?
Hammer, I have seen people say that, and although I don't believe it, I do not think that someone living in 2 different timelines is that crazy. We have seen it before on Lost. So, it might be possible I guess.
Aaron was always said to have been important. MIB has some strange connection with Claire. His mom was crazy, etc. Nobody else could ever raise him. The fact that we don't know the identity of MIB is a little strange. The most family on the island is Aaron's. WE don't even know where Aaron is right now, for all we know he died since last Kate saw him.
If the ending has Claire get off the island and raise Aaron, there is his loophole. If FSW are what WILL happen, then Aaron hasn't even been born.
I love reading all your theories! Less than 3 weeks and we will know EVERYTHING..hehe..or will we??
I think another reason MIB took the bomb off of the plane is so that he could convince our Losties to trust him instead of Widmore.
Hammer, I just read your last post over there, maybe I will read them all later, but I guess when you said the same living in two time lines, i am still thinking of time travel.
I am thinking how Sawyer was alive in Dharma and his little self was in the real world. Or when Sawyer saw Kate delivering the baby when we know he was somewhere else on the island at that time, etc.
SO maybe I misunderstood or not on the bandwagon of what is going on.
Before the "time jumping" Aaron and Smokey were both on the island at the same time.
I'm going out on a limb and saying that we don't know MIBs name yet because he is the devil.
Well he also wanted Aaron off of the island for some reason. Remember he had told Locke that Aaron is "where he is supposed to be."
Then there was Claire's warning to Kate to never bring him back to the island.
I believe Aaron is going to play a significant role. Not sure what but I am just glad it will all be solved soon.
Right now I am holding on to Aaron being Jacob's replacement or something big like that...maybe even MIB's replacement. But not MIB=Aaron.
And there's also that crazy dream that Claire had about Aaron being gone and Locke with the black and white eyes...
Post first, then read.
I expected Sayid to die but he died saving his friends so OK.
Sun and Jin, Sad, emotional death, like Charlie.
So, why am I so angry that they killed off Frank?
Circus Mom, maybe you feel like I do about Frank. They only kept him on the show to set us up for the surprise (MIB doesn't need the candidates to leave together, but to all die). They kept him on ONLY so we would keep thinking they were going to fly the plane.
Assuming he's dead that is...
The music box mad perfect sense to me. Claire adked the adoptive parents in her FB if they knew Catch a Falling Star (CAFS) and asked them to sing that to her baby because her father had sung that to her when she was a baby.
In the new timeline Claire tells Jack she had "Never met the man." The music box was sort of a WHH course correction moment like Jack having a apendix scar.
LOcked out of TBI ;(
Good point, CM @ the music box.
I said...
Jack has to be the Candidate and Desmond becomes his "deputy" or something like that which I may make sense of later. Penny gets left behind...
"The Island isn't through with you yet." - Eloise Hawking (to Desmond)
Jacob selected Richard as his emissary because Richard needed a job and, I guess, because Jacob had some grand plan. Jack, if he's Jacob's replacement, may not need an emissary, yet. That takes me back to Eloise. Her inclusion of "yet" in her admonition suggests that the Island eventually will be through with Desmond. At that point, he's allowed to leave or makes the ultimate sacrifice. I'm leaning toward leave because he's protected by his father-in-law, Charles Widmore. Not because Widmore is particularly fond of Desmond, but because he wants to square things with his daughter.
At any rate, I don't think Des becomes the "new Richard."
If Jack does need an emissary, there's Hurley. Let's face it, back "Outside" Hurley is kind of pathetic. On the Island, he came into his own. "Decisive" is one term that fits.
I nominate Hurley for the "new Richard."
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I believe Locke expected to feel something - to sense something - if/when they all died - his big "freeing" moment of sorts. That's how he knew they hadn't all died - he wasn't freed, therefore, someone lived. I guess the gloves are off now - no more Mr. Nice Guy! I wonder if Claire will stick with him now.
Interest line on the LP about Kate:
"'Twas beauty killed the beast."
Hmm...
8) Jim
Good theories one and all. I like the idea that Kate still serves a purpose, despite her candidacy being an issue.
BTW, I am not going back to TBI this week. When I left the house five hours ago, there were 135 messages, now there are 196. I don't feel like I can wade through all of that in the hopes there MIGHT be a small morsel worth discussing. If any of you have the tenacity to stick with it, let me know if there is anything good posted there, please!
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why am I so angry that they killed off Frank
They did? I didn't see him floating underwater lifeless like I saw Jin and Sun but I guess it can be assumed just as Charlie's death was.:)
I'm going out on a limb and saying that we don't know MIBs name yet because he is the devil
He did say that to Ricardus through Isabella. I think he has just been on the island a very long time and is cursed for something he or his crazy mother did.
A short and non-spoilerish (IMO) article about The Candidate:
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b179561_what_about_ji_yeon_daniel_dae_kim.html
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lost4ever said...
why am I so angry that they killed off Frank
They did? I didn't see him floating underwater
Hot issue on the LP. First he was listed as probably dead but officially "Unknown" then the uproar started based on an interview with TPTB that did not include him among dead and the latest "Lost Untangled" in which "Pierre Chang" said everyone survived except Jin, Sun and Sayid.
IMO, depending on "Lost Untangled" as a canon source is weak. The answer I like was that if he doesn't show up before the end of the finale, we'll know for sure.
I think Frank's story has been told.
8) Jim
I agree Jim, if only for the reason that I don't think ANYONE is leaving the island, much less by plane.
I think the rest of the story goes like this....MIB succeeds in killing everyone, the island sinks, the timelines mesh whilst everyone in FSW 'remembers' the original timeline, they get together to course correct and put MIB back in the bottle and the island is raised with a new Jacob...likely Jack or Aaron.
PJ, TBI is pretty much people arguing whether Aaron is MIB and who is good/evil....again...
Did anyone on facebook see the preview for next week's episode that Daniel Dae Kim posted? I haven't watched it, but just the picture of it was enough to make me wish it was already next week!! Wish I hadn't even seen that though, it's going to drive me crazy all week!!
Wish I hadn't even seen that though, it's going to drive me crazy all week!!
I am going to pretend that the people in the freeze frame are NOT the people I am GUESSING they are. LOL
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shhhh!!! la la la la laaa
*covers ears/eyes and pictures unicorns and bacon*
Post 223 on TBI is worth a chuckle...it's Bobola's take on good vs. evil.
Oooooo...bacon wrapped unicorn sounds delicious.
http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/unicorn-meat.shtml
Yet another spit take moment.
Recipe doesn't call for bacon....I guess just add to taste?
Savory Unicorn & Heirloom Tomato Bruchetta Recipe
14 ounce can of Unicorn Meat
6 or 7 ripe plum tomatoes (about 1 1/2 lbs)
2 cloves garlic, minced
1 Tbsp extra virgin olive oil
1 teaspoon balsamic vinegar
6-8 fresh basil leaves, chopped.
Salt and freshly ground black pepper to taste
1 baguette French bread or similar Italian bread
1/4 cup olive oil
Hammer said...
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Savory Unicorn & Heirloom Tomato Bruchetta Recipe
WHAT!? No ground unicorn horn?
8) Jim
Nope Jim, that stuff sticks to the roof of my mouth like peanut butter. ;)
In the end they all started talking about eating unicorns and ended up in the mental asylum with Hurley and Libby.
I'm still locked out of TBI. Whatever keeps MIB there is keeping me out. Perhaps I have some Widmere blood.
@ Circus Mom...ut oh...I see dead people.
Although....I'll take the numbers now...(grinning ear to ear).
Tonite's Flash Forward is titled Course Correction.
Just sayin...
Course Correction
Lotta similarities. I wonder if that hospital where Olivia works can use a good spinal surgeon?
Jorge verified, say people who follow his podcast, that Frank is dead.
8) Jim
Very similar indeed.
I know they often leave folks alive unless they show a deliberate body...but Frank no longer is needed by the writers. He served the diversion.
I started watching Flash Forward but I haven't gotten past the 10th episode.
I wonder what this blog will be like after the Final Episode...will we be here discussing it and still asking questions?
Or will we be really disappointed and not have seen ANY of it coming together the way it did.
Or will it be a bunch of "I KNEW IT!"
I am still wondering where Annie went.....Is Walt going to be back on...where are Rose and Bernard and Vincent...How does Eloise Hawkins know so much?...and will we ever see Juliet again? It seems like so much more I want to see with such little time left:)
I wonder what this blog will be like after the Final Episode...will we be here discussing it and still asking questions?
Oh I hope so.
Maybe after the first few weeks of discussions and questions, we can plan a visit back here to talk about stuff that comes up in the rewatching? Perhaps we can plan to watch an episode a week all together, and then meet to rehash the episode knowing everything we know? That might be fun.
I am still wondering where Annie went.....Is Walt going to be back on...where are Rose and Bernard and Vincent...How does Eloise Hawkins know so much?...and will we ever see Juliet again? It seems like so much more I want to see with such little time left:)
If I had to guess, we won't see more of Annie or Walt. Rose, Bernard and Vincent will surely make an appearance! Juliet? Oh I hope so! Have we seen her again since the FSW's started?
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Maybe Juliet will show up and have a cup of coffee with Sawyer. He needs some good news after being shut down by Charlotte. But I'm not sure what that would accomplish other than closing one very small loop.
People on the LP are still arguing over Frank, pointing out that Jorge's blog is not canon; that much is true, the blog is not canon.
Some diehards on the LP are suggesting that Zoe is Annie. That would be an interesting reunion. "Adam and Eve?" Nah!
Tasha (and others), ya gotta watch episodes 11 and 12 of FlashForward. A lot of very interesting things happen! Unfortunately, it's not currently available on lined.
8) Jim
From last night's episode of FlashForward: Simon "always has a plan."
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Bernard sort of reminded me of Eloise in this epi. He seemed to know a lot more than he was telling.
Circus Mom, not saying you are wrong, but I took Bernard like Libby than like Eloise. He 'knows' but he doesn't think he's crazy. Libby was in the inst voluntarily. I think some of the folks are just 'seeing' the original timeline more/faster than others to help the story along.
Frank is dead, TPTB.
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From D&C's podcast:
Damon: We've known for quite some time that the Man in Black, Locke, whatever you want to call him, was working on this plan to get everybody together in one place in one time, and we wanted him to get half the candidates in one fall swoop.
Carlton: Yeah. I mean it was important because we really had to, at this point, eliminate any doubt about Locke being bad. He is, most clearly, the force of antagonism now.
Hopefully we can stop guessing about Flocke now! LOL
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Interesting Whispers info in the D&C podcast, Hammer. Around minute 16. (16! one of the numbers! LOL)
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Happy to hear that about the whisperers...thanks PJ.
I didn't see what DDK posted on FB...can't find it.
Happy mother's day tillie moms.
Third time's a charm (I hope!)
I didn't see what DDK posted on FB...can't find it.
Are you talking about the video that Lins referenced? He might have removed his tag. I don't think he posted the video, but someone else did and tagged him in it.
Happy mother's day tillie moms.
Thanks, Hammer! I wish the same to "us" as well!
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While we're waiting for Tuesday, I thought I'd post this and rant a little.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuIJRsAuCHQ&feature=youtu..be
Note that the two women using the vehicles are young and physically fit (not to mention attractive -- that makes the machines work better) and perfectly capable walking in the same spaces in which they're riding.
I can see their legs atrophying as a they ride along.
What next?
8) Jim
That's pretty cool - but I think the people that would most benefit from such a thing won't be so lightweight. Plus, it would appear you need fairly good upper body strength.
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The technology is amazing...but wasted on something impractical.
It's like Wii sports games...cool technology, but not quite the motions are not real like playing for real.
I bumped into a 'confirmation' on whether Frank is dead or alive.
Keep it to myself unless folks want to know.
Thought this was too funny for anyone that watches V http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2umUC_T6xg0
I bumped into a 'confirmation' on whether Frank is dead or alive.
D&C confirmed it in a podcast, Hammer, so share what you have.
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Oh, I thought they kind of left it open in the podcast.
What I saw says Frank is still alive.
I thought they kind of left it open in the podcast.
Just re-listened. You are right. So sorry. They did not actually confirm anything (which is exactly they way they do everything!). I guess we will find out tomorrow!
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Thanks for the V vs LOST clip, Lins! That was funny!
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Oh well, not a major spoiler I suppose....IF he is alive, it would be consistent with many like events...not dead until they show you the body...LOL.
There ARE some minor spoilers in this, but nothing I hadn't really already been accidentally spoiled about. If you have managed to stay completely spoiler-free, don't go here. Otherwise, it is fun.
http://www.tvsquad.com/2010/05/10/jorge-garcia-lost-series-finale-interview/
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Thanks, PJ. Nice clip of Jorge.
It's funny, but as we get closer I've become slightly less militant "DON'T TELL ME ANYTHING!" I don't want to know what happens in the end, but I also don't mind little snippets. Maybe it's from the little things I've tripped over on the LP.
8) Jim
4298 Total Fantasy League Players
45.1 Percentile. Lins with 3420 total points
58.3 Percentile. DocH with 3130 total points
87.9 Percentile. PJ with 2490 total points
88.9 Percentile. Hammer with 2475 total points
100 Percentile. Circus Mom with 1000 total points
Sorry Circus Mom. I waited until after Mother’s Day to share this. You are literally #4298. Not even tied for last. The two just ahead of you have 1020 total points. The top gun has 4710 points and five others are within 20 points.
Thanks Doc for the update.
Thanks PJ for the video.
Jim, I'm with you. Coming to the end...I don't want to be spoiled for the ending....but I am diggin the sneak peeks and previews cause I want to know what part of the story we will see next. I am psyched about where they are taking us this week.
Good job, Lins!
LOL. We're not doing so well collectively, are we? Circus Mom, I think being very last deserves a cheer! LOL.
Thanks for the numbers, DocH!
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Thanks for the update DocH, I had honestly forgotten all about the fantasy league!
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