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It has been a great ride for sure. To everyone who ever had anything to do with my LOST experience, Tillies most especially, I thank you.
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Wow. Almost 2 years to the day of our little island's creation....we are facing the end of our beloved LOST. Thanks all for an awesome 2 years...plus all the time we shared before that on The Big Island. Extra special thanks to you PJ for being the hostess with the mostess.
As one of the relatively new guys, I've appreciated the wit, the smarts and the company. Talking about "The... The..." this episode will be tough.
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Can't believe it is really going to be over! Thanks for all the wonderful time with all of you - I haven't posted much this season, but I have read every single one of your comments and learned more than I ever would have on my own. Thanks too to PJ - without whom we would never have been the Tillies! Thanks PJ. Now, deep breath, lets all hang on the the rest of the ride! ~Rita
I am tipping my hat to everyone here. Diito shout out to PJ for this little island. The way it came about was creative and fun.
Like Jim...I too enjoyed the wit, the brains and the challenges.
I say this now because even if we do the review and keep the chat going, it can't be the same...it would be great and fun.......but not the same.
Before the end, I just want to say that I do not care what the end is...the story is awesome...I just want to know WHAT the ending is.
Oh The End, how I love and hate you at the same time!! Thank you all for your amazing theories (and explanations) and to PJ for such a great little community! I can't believe it's been two years of the little island!! I'll will be firmly planted on the couch with the laptop in one hand and a box of tissues in the other tonight :)
I say this now because even if we do the review and keep the chat going, it can't be the same...it would be great and fun.......but not the same.
Agreed.
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I am hoping there is a twist at the end...and we can discuss it for life!
LOST has shown us that the journey IS the reward! Deep breath! Here we go..............
9:25pm, already bawling. Sun and Jin remembering. Juliet! Lapidus!
Ah yes, the journey indeed. Well said.
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I was just about to post how teary eyed I got when Jin and Sun remembered....I know how you feel PJ!
Oh mylanta! Are they going to get to live Happily Ever After?!
Please?!
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Wow.
Seriously almost couldn't bring myself to push play on the DVR because watching it would mean it was really over...but I can't wait to see how it ends...bittersweet doesn't even begin to describe it!!
Goin dutch...smirking.
P.E.R.F.E.C.T.
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I know I'm a little behind the rest of ya'll, but the Charlie/Claire reunion had me bawling!!
Okay, I am glad we weren't all watching in one room together, because it took me a full five minutes to pull myself together enough to get off the couch and come here.
I can't bring myself to go to TBI right now.
Seriously. Perfect. I just can't believe it is over.
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Tbi is a rip fest....people don't get...as I expected.
Thanks, Hammer. I think I will stay away. I need to revel in this right now.
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I haven't posted and may not post there again.
It makes total sense to me...I really am happy to know the ending....rewatching from The Pilot will be a joy.
Well tell me! I am not getting how Jacob and MIB played into this! Or the Dharma Initiative. Or how the best time of their lives was on the island IF they were dead. OR is it like Christian said, they just all died at different times and this is just them reuniting, which means everything that happened on the island was real? Am I on the right track?
I am thankful that it was made clear that Jack died at the END, watching Frank fly the Ajira plane OFF the island. I do NOT want months of debate over the whole purgatory thing.
The *only* thing that I can think of right now is that I would have liked for Charlotte and Daniel to be in the church (or were they?), and possibly Eko and Ana-Lucia. Obviously, they couldn't have Michael and Walt (unless they hired another child actor and only shot him from behind).
It is funny, we talked about them all having a happy ending - coupling up, etc. When I saw that Nadia was with Sayid's brother in the FSW, I thought that opened the door for him to be with Shannon, but didn't know how they could do it. I am SO glad they did.
I am also glad that I covered the opening credits so that all those appearances were surprises. I had been spoiled about most of the guests stars, but it was still very sweet.
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Hammer said...
Goin dutch...smirking.
And I'm just getting there and I'm crying...again...
OR is it like Christian said, they just all died at different times and this is just them reuniting, which means everything that happened on the island was real? Am I on the right track?
You are on the right track, the way I see it, Tasha. Kate, Sawyer, Miles, Bernard, Rose, Hurley, are all still alive in 2007 / 2004. Those that died on the island are dead. Christian said "there is no now" meaning that once you die, it is always "present" so they are meeting in everyone's present, and getting to relive their happiest times with the people that mean the most to them. I hope that makes sense.
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I am very glad, btw, that the local news was between LOST and JK. I needed this time to recover.
See you on the other side.
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Thanks PJ. Well I will buy that.
OMG...are they having a fight about the color of polar bears on TBI? REALLY? It seems like some are watching Kimmel but it doesnt come on here for another 45 minutes....
Wow, well that truly was The End...so nicely done...still crying!
From JK - Don't go chasing waterfalls...hahaha, needed a laugh, that was good :)
Okay...I can't keep quiet anymore so everyone can bash me, but I believe everyone should walk away with what they want and what makes the most sense to THEM, even if they did explain it.
The way I see it, the ending was about our souls and rebirth. Kind of like the whole Kharma thing and they used "see ya in another life" many times. SOme people believe your souls are born over and over again trying to get your life perfect. So the way I see it(or the way I see it in the show), we can have many lives, but at the end of our life we will go back to the life that had the greatest impact. Kind of like Nirvana, when you break the cycle of reincarnation. I could go on to explain it, but I am sure you get the point or look up Buddhism(my mom is Buddhist so...) The reason I want to walk away with that,is my kids are there when my time comes LOL. Anyway, this ending really hits a lot of points with Buddhism. If I go with this, it makes a lot more sense to me about the island and flash sideways and Dharma and so on. Just saying how I saw it all. Not saying it's all about Buddhism, but it's all about rebirths and change until you reach a point of enlightenment, and when you are finally free to move on, you do it with the people that had the most impact on your life. It just makes the most sense to me.
The alternate endings on JK were classic and perfect. Didn't get the second one (until they discussed it) because I didn't see the original. Loved it all though,
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No bashing from me, Tasha. Makes good sense.
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Thanks LOL. Well I took this crazy philosophy class this semester and there was alot about things like that in there...
2 minutes until JK comes on here!
I get your point Tasha, no bashing...and I think they've always said that LOST was a story of redemption and that is exactly what I took away from it tonight!
Bonzo, did you go to bed without telling us?
That's where I am heading shortly.
It has been a wild ride, friends!
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I read 262 comments on TBI and left my own. I think I am done over there. I would love to hash out questions, theories and comments over the finale, but I can't deal with all the naysayers and nastiness.
I definitely need to rewatch season six. There is a lot of talk about the FSW being purgatory, or a place where those who have died work through things until they are ready to "move on" (as Kate said). I'm not sure I am there yet. If so, then how is it that so many of the characters only "clicked" into their island lives in the hours leading up to meeting at the church.
Thoughts?
I am still thrilled with the finale. I can understand people having questions, but I do not get people hating the ending.
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Sorry for being so late and missing the past couple weeks, but as iterated by many here, I will miss the weekly banter and intelligent convos. Thank You PJ.
Now having said that ( my Curb Your Enthusiasm finale reference), I DONT UNDERSTAND.
FOR ME ONLY, that was one of the worst series finales I have ever seen, but then again, I never saw ALAIS or FELICITY. But maybe that is because I just don't get it. But then again, I am used to spectacular finales like The Shield and The Wire, so maybe this was JJ's best.
I will go back and watch again and catch up on all of your comments, and hopefully my mind will change, but for now I am lostnowsuxever.:)
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Tasha: If I go with this, it makes a lot more sense to me about the island and flash sideways and Dharma and so on. Just saying how I saw it all
That's what I think they wanted us to deduce from it, your personal vision. For me, I saw Jack's purgatory. He couldn't "let go" until the Others in his life did.
PJ: The alternate endings on JK were classic and perfect
I understood 2 of them but really didn't get the first one or think it was funny at all.
PJ: then how is it that so many of the characters only "clicked" into their island lives in the hours leading up to meeting at the church.
When did Penny die? and when they showed the long view of the inside of the church, didn't it look like there were fewer people there?
Good morning Tillies! I had a VERY short night to mull things over - had a lot to think about! - but I have to say that I just LOVED IT! I can't say I understand ALL of it yet, but I think it ended the way it needed to.
I LOVED it that Hurley ended up being the new island protector, and that Ben was his "number 2". I was afraid they might make Ben the new nemesis but was happy they redemed him.
I have to wonder though, since they didn't go that far back, who built the "bright light" pool, with the big stone plug? I wish they would go back and explain some things, but alas - now we'll never know!
DocH, if you ever tire of whatever it is you do now, you should consider doing some writing! Very poetic - your "love" story, and I will miss Tarzan!
Now, off to work for me. Can't wait to see what you all have to say when I get back tonight. Good day to all of you - on this first day of a "LOST-less" life!
~Rita
I just wanted to thank you guys for providing great discussion, theory and speculation on this show. It really made the whole experience for me. I didn't post very often but read along consistently. Thanks again!
Well said Doc, PJ...well everyone.
I am hearing crap on Detroit radio that and it seems many people think the island was purgatory. I can by that MAYBE FSW is and only because Ben 'remembered' but needed to stay and work things out before going "in".
I also think that the island still exists as it 'always' did. They were tasked with protecting it as way of redeeming themselves. I think if Jack didn't 'plug' it again, THEY would have failed and gone to a bad place instead of a good one. "God help us all"...if the island sinks, no one gets to redeem themselves ever again?
Oh and PJ, sorry about the Bonzo thing...I had to revel in it on my own and dozed off.
Gup...thanks for lurking. LOL
I'm a technical type of guy and I wanted some answers that we'll never get: How does the Island actually move? (I just noticed that I'm still using present tense!) Is Hurley going to bring some people to the Island to test them? Eventually, he'll have to have candidates.
Having aid that, I loved the episode. We've been told almost from day one that's Lost is a character-driven show and last night proved the truth of that. I think of all of the "enlightenments," Sun and Jin suddenly being fluent in English was the best. Sawyer and Juliet was next.
Some minor carping on the LP. "Best" entry: Some guy wants Jack's status to be "Unknown" because we didn't actually see him die. *sigh* I wonder what episode he watched...
I recorded Kimmel last night and am going to watch it now.
8) Jim
I fell asleep during Kimbell last night and then dreamed about LOST all night long. Anyone else wake up with a headache? LOL
Still digesting it.
So is the FSW even real at all? Or is it just Jack's necessary reconciling world? I know that I would not be divorced in my "ideal, reunion world".
I don't know....like I say, still processing it, but I really would like to hear everyone's interpretations. I watched with a handful of friends, some that loved it, others that didn't. I am hoping that I will get to a place where I love it, but right now I'm just said that it hasn't happened yet. I'm having to tie too many things together in my mind to "make it work", and I feel like it shouldn't be that hard.
But regardless...I have really enjoyed my time here with you guys. And I loved Jack's eye-closing final scene.
I understood 2 of them but really didn't get the first one or think it was funny at all.
Trying to multi-task, so it will be hard to discuss for a few hours, however...
The first ending was a "Survivor" spoof - it was hilarious. The second was a "Sopranos" spoof - I didn't get it because I didn't watch Sopranos. The third was a "Newhart" spoof - fanTAStic.
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Darn you DocH for making me cry again!!
I don't think Hurley will need a replacement because Flocke never secured a replacement for himself...so I think Hurley would only have to protect the island from anyone else that happened to find it?
The funny part is though, I don't really care about the answers or the specifics...I think the purgatory thing is true to an extent, that like Christian said, they all die at some point in life, and the church was a place for them to all find each other before they moved on...would have like to see Alpert in the church too though, with a head full of gray hair!!
Loved Kimmel, the alt. endings were hilarious!
I said (back on "What They Died For")...
...Bob Newhart...
...crash Sunday evening reads "FOUND."
WOW! I never imagined.
I'm glad it read "LOST."
8) Jim
Made my day...LOL.
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Exellent ending ,worth all the wait . sad, moving and fulfilled my expectations.Thanks to the web site. hammer,pj,toeknee,lost4ever,misskim, thanks for nothing .bye
You’re welc- hey, what?
I wanted to post that up here...but didn't want to be a cause of Drama. I like how you just said "Bye" Hammer. Guess ya'll won't be seeing her in another life LOL.
When did Penny die? and when they showed the long view of the inside of the church, didn't it look like there were fewer people there?
Penny, Kate, Claire, Hurley, Sawyer (and others, I am sure) DID NOT die during the course of the show. Christian said "everyone dies at some point" and I believe that meant that this was some time "after" everyone had died (Kate might have been 80, Sawyer 100), but that because there is no "now" they all come together anyway. We just saw it as during the FSW 'present' because that was when Jack was ready to move on.
Hope that makes sense.
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Agreed PJ, but MY interpretation is that it is not AFTER they all died because there is no TIME where they are. I took it as it was like eternity, they were where forever happens.
Jim..LOL @ the guy who isn't sure if Jack died. Need a heart monitor with a flat line? Geez.
ok, gang. I'm getting there. I was just distraught last night because I didn't know what was real.
But as long as all the island stuff is real, I'm okay with whatever sideways-purgatory-afterlife non-reality they all needed to Move On/Let Go.
Excellent as always DocH, I just wish I knew what you were talking about. You are lucky to have that experience of true love and hopefully it will happen to all of your family members.
Toeknee mentioned me? I haven't been on there all year. If I remember correctly he is from Boston and I dont think I have ever met someone I liked that is from Boston. I spent a oouple of months working there. OF course if anyone is from there that will change my opinion.:)
Thanks PJ, I never watched "Survivor" and refuse to watch any so-called reality show, they are mind-dumbing IMO.
I am still trying to wrap my head around the whole FSW experience.
One question though...why did they make it a point for Jacob's mother and Jacob to chant something over the water before the new protector took over? Jack just asked for a cup then filled it with water then gave it to Hurley...no magic words.
Did anyone else get the Langolier feeling when the plane was taking off?
I'm still kind of reeling from it all and not really sure what to say yet. This is the same way I felt after the Life on Mars finale and Angel to a lesser extent. I feel relieved and sad that it's gone and not quite sure I really understand it. It'll take me a while to decide how I really feel, but overall I left with a contented feeling.
And as far as this board goes, I'm glad I found you guys and had others to share my thoughts with. It's truly been a pleasure. And DocH, I think you just made me cry almost as much as the show did!
Okay, I have a few minutes where I am not trying to multi-task over seven things at once, so I want to address some things I didn't earlier...
L4E - I am sorry you didn't like the ending. For me, it was PERFECT. I was so thrilled that the characters were getting their "happily ever after" in Sideways world. I was worried when Jack realized he was dead, because I thought "GEES, not purgatory, PLEASE." Then Christian explained everything and I was thrilled again.
DocH - your story about your daughter and love is fantastic. Exactly the kind of thing someone SHOULD get from a show like this. I plan to rewatch from the beginning with my boys. I think they are old enough now for most of it, and there is always the pause button to explain what they are not.
Shelley - I get that you aren't "there" yet and I think I might be in that same place myself, except that I gave up on getting answers over the course of this season. I don't feel like I NEED to know ANYTHING else. Would I like a few more questions answered? Sure. I loved it regardless.
Hammer: MY interpretation is that it is not AFTER they all died because there is no TIME where they are. I took it as it was like eternity, they were where forever happens.
That's what I meant - you just described it much better than I did. LOL
L4E: Toeknee mentioned me?
Nope. GMTA Leah mentioned all of us and Toeknee and said thanks for nothing. Guess she is still lurking, or maybe still mad. I dunno. Anyway, Toeknee REPLIED to that. It didn't format well on the copy and paste here.
L4E: One question though...why did they make it a point for Jacob's mother and Jacob to chant something over the water before the new protector took over? Jack just asked for a cup then filled it with water then gave it to Hurley...no magic words.
Yeah, that was odd.
Did anyone else get the Langolier feeling when the plane was taking off?
That is a Stephen King thing, right? Nope, didn't get the reference. Please explain?
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PJ: I thought "GEES, not purgatory, PLEASE." Then Christian explained everything and I was thrilled again.
Wait, I thought that's what he was describing. And then he mentioned they weren't leaving but "moving on".
Jack: "Where are we going?"
CS: "Let's go find out."'
Sounds like the whole FSW was somehting like a purgatory.
Did anyone else get the Langolier feeling when the plane was taking off?
Wasn't that a movie when they were all on an island and the plane flew threw some black hole or something and they all fell asleep? They get to the airport and people start appearing at the end and everyone lives happily ever after??
LOL...I didn't get that feeling but now that you mention it....
PJ:That is a Stephen King thing, right? Nope, didn't get the reference. Please explain?
Yes it was a Stephen King movie and at the end of the movie they are trying to get off the ground before the Langoliers ( the timekeepers of eternity ) catch up to them.
Tasha: They get to the airport and people start appearing at the end and everyone lives happily ever after??
Yep. That was a little cheesy also.
Sorry about the copy paste thing.
Leah said "thanks for nothing, bye." to us all...Toeknee said "You’re welc- hey, what?"
@ chanting. I think they gave us a hint that it was how they(Mother/Jacob) did things when Ben said maybe it can be different.
I think Jack decided that drinking the magical water was enough, likely didn't know latin (grin). I would like to see what Hugo's rules were.
Sounds like the whole FSW was somehting like a purgatory.
That isn't how I interpreted it. I will have to watch again to get the language that made me think differently (transcripts are not yet on LP).
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I feel like it was similar to purgatory in that they wait there until the 'let go'. Purgatory isn't quite the same, but a similar in terms of a 'holding' area.
PJ, I totally understand...I don't really need to know anything else, to me it was a great ending to a great story...and really, it was all about the people to begin with and that's how it ended.
Time did seem to move differently in the FSW, like someone pointed out last week, we saw Eloise setting up for the concert a long time before Locke was hit by Des and then operated on by Jack (twice) so I think things happened in that life to get them to the church all together so that they could move on...it was their final redemption, their reward in a way...
I do think the FSW is some type of purgatory. A What-If-the-plane-didn't-crash scenario. Christian made it sound like some of those people weren't dead yet (since it's 2004) but that they're in a place free from time. I think most of the season's FSW pieces belong to different people but that ultimately the church scene is all from Jack's perspective. Because it was HIS death and Christian was HIS hurdle. And it explains why some folks were there and some weren't.
I'm satisfied, but there is a small part of me that thinks "Jacob picked a bunch of losers that who knew would die just because he hated his job. And he eases his guilt knowing they have a shot at redemption."
But now that I know what they were going for, I think they did an excellent job at it...especially in the time they had (or didn't). Because it is ultimately about the human connections, and those all got tied up rather nicely.
Okay, I am coming around to the FSW is purgatory argument. Just going to have to rewatch season six before I start from the beginning I think. (Actually, starting from the beginning isn't going to be QUITE so important since the "Sixth Sense" revelation really only applies to season six.)
I read this on the Ack Attack's last post. It is the final three paragraphs and really crystallizes some things:
I loved the finale, and the more I think about it, the more I loved it. I had been afraid that they’d somehow end the show in the Sideways World – give us this Super Mega Happy Ending, which would in effect negate the first 5 years of the show. But in fact, they did the opposite. They made what happened on that island SO important that every person in that church considered it the most meaningful part of their lives – even the ones that lived to ripe old ages. Talk about an epilogue. It’s the ultimate “and they lived happily ever after.” No matter what those that survived did for the rest of their lives, they still all managed to finally rest in peace, together.
As an audience, it left it open for speculation as to what happened to the Losties that survived once Jack died. What was it like when Claire and Aaron were reunited? Did Kate and Sawyer have any kind of relationship? How did Richard adjust to modern life? Did Hurley protect the island like a tropical Santa Clause, with Ben as his Head Elf? What was Desmond and Penny’s reunion like?
Damon and Carlton gave us a definitive ending without giving it all away. Sure, not all of our questions were answered. I’m sure there are disappointed fans who will hold a grudge that we never found out why Claire had to raise Aaron, or why Walt was special, or what the light at the center of the island really was. But to dwell on that aspect of the show, in my mind, would be missing the point. Lost has always been about the characters’ journeys of self-discovery and redemption. While totally fascinating, the mind-boggling WTFs of the show were a means to an end. The puzzle pieces were all put in place to help tell the story of the people on that island, not the other way around. That finale was everything we’ve come to expect Lost to be – action-packed, moving, funny, and totally nuts. I wouldn’t have wanted it any other way.
Wonderful journey indeed.
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Doc, very interesting...but can't agree that those souls were all dead. IMO, the story doesn't work if they had to die twice. Like the pilot for instance. He died in the crash, then died again soon after when MIB got him?
Purg/limbo...whatever you want to call it was FSW. The island IMO IS the cork and STILL exist and Jack saved it.
Everything we saw in Flashforward, Time Travel and Flashsideways was imagined/invented by the dead souls trying to rectify their sins before moving on.
Very well put, DocH, but I can't get on board with that. I can ride the plane that says the FSW is purgatory (or limbo), but not everything. Everything on the island, everyone living and fighting and loving and dying was real, IMO.
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Again sir, you put a good argument, I just don't see it that way.
I think I could buy it if the scene at the end credits had just been plane wreckage, but it looked more like the losties camp than wreckage to me...so I have to jump in the "FSW is the only limbo-type story and the island happenings were real" boat (and hope it doesn't crash on crazy island!!)
LOST is all about interpretation, and I understand what you are saying, Doc. It is a very romantic interpretation, and is certainly a beautiful one.
However, my interpretation doesn't go there. For instance, if the Jughead guarders died, why is Eloise an aged lady? Why did we see Boone and Charlie "die" if they were already dead? To me, what you are describing is the Whisperers, which may be SOME of those that died.
It is certainly intriguing to consider.
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I don't think it was just a flash sideways, I think it was an alternate universe. Yes, like on the Fringe! Except it was a consciousness thing. You know some great philosophers believe that there is no material world, only the world we build with our minds. Which is why I believe the ending was brilliant, because we can all walk away with our own beliefs depending on our culture. It is like we were all watching a different show! Nobody has to be right or wrong. We make our own beliefs and stick with them with the information we got and interpreted. Interpretation is one of the biggest keys to understanding anything written or watched. Shepherd never answered the big questions at the end. Where are we? Where are we going? That is because there is no real answer. Only what we interpreted as the viewers.
PJ I did't see the post before mine. Sorry.
what happened during the credits? i missed it!
Well half the world says we saw the plane wreckage and nobody survived...and the other half of the world says it was a backdrop:)
There's an observation on the LP that there are stacks of items and footprints in the sand in the vicinity of the airplane in the closing credits.
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Lots of great thoughts. I love that the finale brought the show full circle. I am still not quite sure how I will interpret ALL the pieces...however....I think that what we saw on the Island really happened. Everyone who died, died. I don't think the fsw is purgatory/limbo. I think it may be a place/dimension/holding tank that Hurley, as the "new Jacob" created to bring everyone he chose to move on to "the next place" together would meet when they were all finally dead. Hurley gave up his job as Island Keeper to go with them, leaving Ben in charge of the Island. This explains why Ben isn't ready to go into the church and move on. I really need to rewatch to clarify my thoughts, but I wanted to share the direction I am headed in.
I like it, Miss Kim!
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Holy Post It Note, Batman! I just checked in on TBI and read a few posts. Wow, the gloves have come off and only a few names I recognize. I think I will wallow in that peaceful, easy feeling that we have going on over here. *g*
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DocH: Everyone on 815 died in the crash
I thought this question was answered in previous seasons by the producers, but I could be wrong. It is an interesting theory though.
Miss Kim:This explains why Ben isn't ready to go into the church and move on.
Makes sense to me, or maybe he will never be worthy enough since he is already dead. That may never be answered, among other things.
Anyone else notice Airja 316 flying overhead just before Jack closed his eye? Mission complete.
Anyone else notice Airja 316 flying overhead just before Jack closed his eye? Mission complete.
Indeed. That is what closed the deal for me that the island time was "real" for them all.
Still reveling in it all!
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Okay, I rewatched the last 25 minutes, and I am now fully on board with the FSW as being something akin to limbo or purgatory. I think Jack died on the island in 2007, after watching the Ajira plane fly overhead.
There were inconsistencies with timing, cars, clothing, etc., during the FSW which are irrelevant since it is this "other" world (which I would like to refer to as Hurley World, since he seemed to be the orchestrator of the gathering at the "church").
By the way, I bawled all over again. I was especially moved by the Ben / Hurley scenes as I know the two men are good friends and it was nice they got to have some meaningful scenes to share.
Some things to consider. In the "real" world, I have to hope that Frank successfully flies the plane back to a mainland. So, Sawyer and Kate could end up together. Richard Alpert gets to grow old. Miles and Lapidus, presumably do so as well. Hurley finds a way to get Desmond home (on the Elizabeth?) (which I assume was the boat that Sawyer and Kate were using) to Penny and little Charlie. Claire goes home to her mother and Aaron. Walt and Ji Yeon grow up orphans, cared for by their grandparents. Hurley and Ben successfully keep the island protected.
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We have discussed watching the series from the beginning and I am definitely game. I would like to offer a possible option to precede that: I would like to watch season six again from the beginning.
Just as we rewatched season five, once we had the knowledge that Locke was really fLocke, I think it will be good to rewatch season six, knowing that the FSW was Hurley World.
It would be more fun to disect the episodes if we rewatch season six together. Thoughts?
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DDK posted this on facebook, it explained things pretty well for me, sounds a lot like what we've been talking about here too. http://tinyurl.com/LOSTfinaletheory
LOL. I was just coming here to post a link to that, Lins! I agree that it sums up my opinion of the show pretty succinctly. I am not sure that I really believe that a Bad Robot employee wrote it (mostly because there are spelling errors in characters' names) but since DDK posted it, maybe it is.
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I liked the link and shared it on FB. It's pretty close to what I am walking away with even though it's so hard to explain.I have friends still saying they were all dead from the original crash. I am not sure if they even look at FB though.
so I've come a long way, and all of your insights and links have helped tremendously.
I think I would be 100% satisfied if we'd had one more island-centric ep BEFORE the finale. I just could've used one more island mindsplosion to prove that they weren't making it up as they go along. I've defended LOST so much with that, and I felt like I didn't have much proof after the finale. But everything that happened in the finale was completely necessary and beautifully done. That much I can't deny.
I'm on board with the FSW being purgatory/limbo, but I can't go as far as to think that it's something that Hurley CREATED. I'm sure he may have orchestrated it...maybe after Des shared some insights...but either way I definitely take comfort in knowing that the island is guarded by him and Ben.
I see the sideways flashes (throughout the season) as a combination of all of their viewpoints, but that the final church scene was completely from Jack's perspective. Those people present were necessary for HIM to move on. And I like that rather than show Jack walk to the light/through the doors, they showed Christian, Jack's final hurdle. It leaves a lot more open to interpretation that way, and that's something I love about LOST.
You remember the book we were joking about?
http://tinyurl.com/LOSTencyclopedia
Not a joke any more!
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PJSander said...
You remember the book we were joking about?
*sigh* Ordered!
My wife (jokingly) says I'm sick. That's only because there's no encyclopedia for "Dancing with the 'Barely Recognizable.'" *grin*
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LOL, Jim. I call it Dancing with the D List!
It would seem the book is really going to be like LOSTpedia in book form (only done by people affiliated with the show, rather than by fans). I still want it though.
It is funny because I am reading all over the web, people are bitching about not getting all the answers. Yet, when we were given ACTUAL answers, SPECIFICALLY addressing fan questions (whisperers, anyone?), people complained that the answers were too blatantly spoon fed!
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WOW...thanks for the link to the book!!
So I have a question. If it was just a world to find each other that their minds created (or conscious or whatever you want to call it,) was Ben dead too? Why was he in this world? Wasn't a whole episode dedicated to him? We know that Jack's son was not real right? So was Alex in Ben's head? Was she not real either or was she real and he needs to wait for her to remember? If it was purgatory(or whatever we are all calling it), does that mean everyone was there?Widmore...Miles...Nadia. Are they all dead too or are they all in "this place?"
Okay that is more than one question and not relevant, but inquiring minds were asking me and I didn't have an answer:(
and you buy into it?
Do I buy that the guy is a Bad Robot employee? No, and I even said so. However, he did, quite succinctly, put into words what *I* think the finale meant. He could be a BRE who has been contractually obligated to keep quiet about things and is finally ready to spill, but it really doesn't matter to me, because he described what I have been trying to for two days! LOL
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As a devout atheist with agnostic tendencies, I can honestly say that my Hindu and Buddhist values are praying like Hell that these LOST Souls are quickly reincarnated into another Heavenly show... like LOST.
Agreed! Indeed!
We did not see him on 815 in the pilot episode.
In the pilot episode, Desmond was down in the hatch pushing a button every 108 minutes (or not, on that particular day).
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I've always thought (and yes, I'm ready for the holes to be shot in this) that Desmond was Jack's constant so perhaps that's why he played such an instrumental role in the FSW world?
And FTR, I don't know or care if that guy works for Bad Robot or not, but along the lines of what PJ said, he put into words what I was thinking, so that's why I posted it here.
Tasha said...
So I have a question... Are they all dead too or are they all in "this place?"
IMHO, yes, they're all dead. When we last saw the Island, the only living humans were Hugo(somehow, he's not Hurley anymore), Desmond and Ben. Desmond is a special (overused term) case, a man who can travel in time and space when he chooses. He chose to travel to "limbo" because he was needed to tie things off. Hugo and Ben performed their duties to the Island and were able to retire (die in peace), leaving someone about whom we know nothing behind.
It's interesting to note that it was Charlie who set the whole thing off by choking on his stash.
When the time came to move on, Ben passed, perhaps because Danielle and Alex (their FST versions) did not show up at the church and he did not want to move on alone.
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I don't think they're ALL dead in the church, even Christian implied some of them weren't yet. And if this "conversation" is going down while Jack's in the bamboo, then we know that the folks on the Ajira plane are still alive (for now).
I think that the FSWs throughout the season are from various perspectives, but that everything from inside the church is from Jack's.
Ben may have been a product of Locke forgiving him; in Locke's mind, Ben had forgiveness and even defended Locke.
David may have been a product of Jack's daddy-issues or even his own inner child.
I think the mirrors hint at that too; whomever is looking in the mirror in the FSW is whose perspective that scenario is from.
(I hate ending in prepositions yet have been strangely inclined to since "What They Died For"!)
Initially, I was a little put-off by the amount of churchery at the end. Not because of my personal beliefs, but just in general.
BUT...I felt a lot better when I realized that they're all in a church because they're there for a FUNERAL. And that funeral was Jack's final hurdle in order to Let Go. And knowing(/believing) that the scene was from Jack's perspective, I think it's pretty perfect.
and I know the other argument about if they're dead already; that the conversation takes place out of time. And I think it does...I just think some folks might not be dead at the time of Jack's Letting Go. I think that they will all have their Church-moment, wherever/whenever that may take place.
Initially, I was a little put-off by the amount of churchery at the end.
I waivered there as well, but I love the way they included all religions in the stained glass window (even DonkeyWheelism, though I think that wheel might be connected to Dharmaism realistically).
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I just think some folks might not be dead at the time of Jack's Letting Go.
I agree. As Christian said, there is no *now* so it is in Jack's present, but Kate and Sawyer and Aaron (etc.) could have lived for decades and still been in Jack's present.
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There is a cute, but raunchy, folk song about LOST. It is the bottom song on this page (and you can listen without downloading):
http://garfunkelandoates.com/music/
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New post is up - feel free to quote from here as necessary.
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If it was only from Jack's perspective, then how about when Desmond went to visit Eloise? Or Sun and Jin having their ultrasound? Or Desmond running over Locke? Many are saying Hurley had it all planned out and this was his world, but he had to remember too. If anything, Libby set that up. Jack wasn't there for every FSW scene. I thought I had all this figured out but it can't just be from Jack's point of view. I take it as everyone was already dead, but the only one I can't figure out is Jack's son.
Tasha, I am going to respond in the new thread...
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