What comes to mind when you read that title? My thoughts jump to Sayid and Season 5's "He's Our You." But could we also be talking about Locke as a substitute for MIB? Claire as a substitute for Rousseau?
If the idea that Season 6 is following a similar pattern to the first season, then we are due for a Locke centric episode. The "mirror" episode in Season 1 was "Walkabout."
Having LOST on Tuesdays makes the beginning of the week go quickly, but the rest of the week just drags and drags. Plus, all day Wednesday, I keep THINKING it is Thursday and I don't like feeling all confuzzled!
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Yeah PJ, we were told that the first season is really all you need to watch the last season, I think it was a hint that the episodes will follow suit. So I am guessing Locke or Flocke.
I had to check, but the Black Rock goes back to Season 1 (Exodus). Are C&D telling us yoy don't have to know anything about the history of the Others to appreciate Season 6? Sounds like producer speak to me. *grin*
8) Jim
No, I think they meant 'refresher' watching. Not that I am speaking for them, but that's how I took it. I think they were hinting that S6 will have a lot of S1 rehashing with the new reality...to see the differences.
Hammer said...
No, I think they meant 'refresher' watching.
That's a good term. I wish I had participated in "the great Lost rewatch" between seasons. I watched all four seasons between four and five because they had it on SciFi, but never got around to it this time; I just watched five on disk.
Nestor Carbonell got promoted this season. We must have some more exposure to Richard coming real soon.
8) Jim
That is how I understood it, too, Hammer. Now that we've seen three hours of Season six, I think that rewatching Season one was so that we would notice the differences in the adjusted timeline.
On a different note: we are supposed to have 18 hours over fifteen episodes. So I think we will have a week with no LOST or just a recap episode. See if this makes sense:
2/2 - two hours
2/9 - one hour
2/16 - one hour
5/23 - two hours
that is a total of six hours and four episodes. So we have twelve episodes and twelve hours remaining, but 2/23, 3/2, 3/9, 3/16 (316!), 3/23, 3/30, 4/6, 4/13, 4/20, 4/27, 5/4, 5/11, 5/18 - which is thirteen weeks. Not a huge deal, but still...
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Whoops, that should have been eighteen hours over sixteen episodes. The rest of the math, who knows?!
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I also think the substitute is referring to Flocke. I imagine the Flashsideward will be about Locke and his amazingly "new" or different life. Maybe Jack will fix him? Will Helen or Cooper make an appearance? If hope these FSW's get better, which I am sure they will.
Now onto the good part of the story, IMO, the on-island happenings. Someone suggested that Flocke needs an army and Sayid may be a recruit. I like that idea. Was Claire also? Is Richard going to be? What about Kate and Sawyer and their leaving the temple? Will Flocke approach them? Not sure if Ben will follow him in the end.
Anyways, hope it better than last weeks episode "Stranger in a Strange Land" or was it "Expose", can hardly remember...
Anyways, hope it better than last weeks episode "Stranger in a Strange Land" or was it "Expose", can hardly remember...
LOL.
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Not relevant, but kind of neat: http://www.budgettravel.com/bt-dyn/content/article/2010/02/10/AR2010021002085.html?wpisrc=newsletter
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If I drive really fast, I think I can make it to Doc's house in time to eat...er, watch LOST...and eat.
Oops, doing the softball website again...Matt is me.
"...cr@p-what did I do now?"
Fuuuuuny. I won't make it, since I skipped the Lions local dinner meeting to attend the premier event, I'll be going to the regular meeting. I haven't complained here yet about it, but we meet every 1st and 3rd TUESDAY. Did you hear me ABC? TUESDAY!!!
Okay...over it.
Does it look like each week they're going to have an "enhanced" version of the previous week's episode? I like those a lot even if they're not canon because it helps me have a refresher and catch things that I missed the first time.
My TV Guide shows a repeat of "What Kate Does" at 8:00 pm EST It doesn't say enhanced, but...
8) Jim
I wish I could take credit DocH but that is not me. I don't think they will have enhanced episodes for much longer because I think "V" is coming back to fill the 8 time slot.
I wonder if the "new" Jack is even able to fix Locke?
Woo hoo for LOST night, 8pm cannot come fast enough this week! We had homemade enchiladas and rice and beans for dinner tonight, ready for some good TV now!
If you guys don't already read theackattack.net, you really should. I forgot how hilarious those show recaps are each week. Fair warning, there is profanity, but it really cracks me up.
I haven't complained here yet about it, but we meet every 1st and 3rd TUESDAY. Did you hear me ABC? TUESDAY!!!
I hear you! I am going to miss watching LOST live in all of May! At least the finale is on Sunday.
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Dh just said that the pop-ups said that this is not a FF or a FB but a FlashSideways and what "would have happened" if the plane had landed.
GEES, it makes me crazy when the pop-ups says sh*t like that.
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Doc: I took a look at the Ackattack.net. ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!
Could have done without the giant spider/bug thing on dead Locke's head!
So in the new timeline...Locke is trying to get a job from Rose who works for Hurley...hmmm...and she still has cancer.
Did Ilana say that the MIB/Smokey is now stuck as Locke?
Did Ilana say that the MIB/Smokey is now stuck as Locke?
Sure sounded that way.
Lots to process, but a GREAT episode!
Numbers... Kate wasn't on the cave ceiling list - at least not with one of the "important" numbers - at least not that I saw. I wonder which Kwon?
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Was it confirmed it was Jack Shepherd?
Someone on TBI suggested that perhaps the KWON is actually Ji Yeon and not Jin or Sun. Interesting.
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Was it confirmed it was Jack Shepherd?
Good point! Could have been Christian.
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So ‘we’ have to go back together…everyone with the DHARMA numbers? Was that was DHARMA was doing, trying to ‘change’ one of the factors(people)? Time traveling to try to change/remove a factor to save the world? Does MIB leaving the island and go ‘home’ = him going to the real world as the fallen angel to start the apocalypse?
PJSander said...
Good point! Could have been Christian.
Oooh, great point...I like that!
Was the blond-headed boy Aaron? Looks that way to me. And he told the Smoke he couldn't kill Jacob. It's against the rules!
Ben lies about having killed Jacob. What else is new? Ilana collects some of Jacobs ashes. Why was it important to carry Locke to the Survivors graveyard?
Inventory:
* Smoke and "Ford" in the cave.
* Jin and Claire unknown.
* Everyone else at or bound for the temple.
Why doesn't the Island need to be protected (per Smoke)?
I did like the way the Smoke travelled and morphed into "Locke." Was he looking for the machete?
Why was there a need for candidates?
8) Jim
Was the blond-headed boy Aaron?
Could be... unless it is a random blonde headed boy just to throw us off. The boys was about ten, so if it is Aaron, either HE time traveled or everyone ELSE did, because in 2007, he was three-ish.
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Did anyone else think that the random school child that Locke stopped to ask for directions was going to be Walt?
Ben as the Lit teacher. Perfect.
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Why was there a need for candidates?
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Out of all people in the world...why these freaks? LOL Just Kidding. I am just saying.
Also it didn't make any sense to me when he tried to explain how Jacob pushed them into making choices that brought them to the island just by touching them. So Jacob made Sawyer go kill a guy in Australia so he could get sent back on a plane that crashes there? I am REALLY confused right now how these "con artists" and "fugitives(assuming Kate was one of them)" and so on could be the candidates. Please someone explain that to me. Also what about everyone else who has been brought there. I am not complaining here. Just a little confused on how MIB explained why they were there.
I yelled WALT at the TV twice...the one you spoke of and the delivery guy bringing Locke his knives...LOL
Of course, if the little boy was Aaron, I think he could just as easily be Des and Penny's son Charlie...? I mean, we don't know hardly anything about Desmond's family, so what if he is somehow related to Jacob? And that is why he was pushed to come to the island by so many people?
Of course, if the little boy was Aaron, I think he could just as easily be Des and Penny's son Charlie...?
Ah yes, because the island isn't done with Desmond, yet!
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Yes!!! I've been harping on the island not being done with Des. So if blonde boy is Des and Pen's Charlie...then maybe Des and Pen are A & E(harping on that too)?!
Why was Ilana cool with leaving her people dead in the cave but they had to bury Locke?
Can't wait to see the screen caps of the candidates. Wonder if you only get crossed off when you die or for other reasons also.
I'm against the blonde boy as Jacob because I believe that's who he was talking about.
Good, good episode. Now I want to see one about Des.
flgrl said...
Good, good episode. Now I want to see one about Des.
Me too, and one about Richard!
With either Aaron or Charlie, there has to be time traveling. So did Ajira crash in the future maybe? I don't think I can buy that kid as anything less than ten. Aaron was born in 2004, Charlie Hume in no earlier than 2005.
We joked about April 8, 2015 at 3:23:42pm (04-08-15, 16:23:42). If it were to be 2015, then the kid would be the right age to be Charlie or Aaron.
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Why was Ilana cool with leaving her people dead in the cave but they had to bury Locke?
If she's been around "a long time" (like Richard), she might know there isn't a point to burying them, but doesn't think it necessary to argue with Sun. Though, she ought to want to get to the temple ASAFP.
I am glad we won't see Smokey turn into anyone else - but that doesn't explain Sayid.
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But if Sayid is a recruit, he is claimed as a soldier to MIB, not possessed by MIB?
I just watched that ending again. I have another question now. Is that Jacob's cave? Or MIB's cave? Seems to me that MIB was the one keeping track of the stuff written on the ceiling. Is he lying about something?
blond is masculine - aka Jacob, Aaron, Sawyer...
You are right, sorry. But what about if it is a boy with a sorry-a$$ crappy girl's wig? *g*
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Who likes Ben Linus, off-island, as school preacher to the Locke-ster?
That was really epic....
Tasha, yes MIB appears to be a liar to me. I know we have debated who is good/evil. But this time MIB threw out the white rock...not both to leave it vague. I think they are pushing us to believe that MIB is the bad one.
Of course I don't understand how Ben is off the island to begin with...I guess it all depends on what happened when Jughead went off.
I was thinking more that...I don't think Jacob wrote those names on that ceiling. I think MIB wrote them all along, but I am wondering why and how it is all connected.
Agreed Tasha, I was just using your point to push that maybe the good vs. evil debate may be coming to an end.
Of course I don't understand how Ben is off the island to begin with...I guess it all depends on what happened when Jughead went off.
The detonation in 1977 would have affected MORE than just O815. Perhaps as a result of that incident, DHARMA sent all the children off the island – Ben, Ethan, Charlotte, Miles. We saw that Ethan became a doctor off island, so it makes sense that Ben would have a life in the adjusted reality, right?
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I gotcha. In other words, after the bomb goes off they still end up off the island. I can buy that.
I was thinking with Ethan that he got off in the first place.
Our local ABS affiliate had a snippet about next week's episode...not a spoiler but they claim that next week will give us some answers about the mythology of the island. Can't wait to see which ones.
Haven't verified this, but someone on TBI posted this:
List of the numbers:
4 – Locke
8 – Reyes
15 – Ford
16 – Jarrah
23 – Shephard
42 – Kwon
10 – Mattingley
20 – Rouf (?)
70 – Faraday
90 – Troupe
119 – Almeade
140 – Lewis
195 – Pace
222 – O’Toole
233 – Jones
291 – Domingo
313 – Littleton
317 – Cunningham
396 – Grant
ON THE CEILING BUT NUMBERS UNKNOWN:
?? – Chang
?? – Goodspeed
?? – Sullivan
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Bedtime for Bonzo:
Since Kate is not one of the numbers we’ve seen all along…will she be the next main character to…..DIE?
Or will Kate be the only one to survive?
I don't know about Kate's fate. (I know I am in the minority in liking her character.) But I do know that a LOT of those names WERE crossed out!
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The numbers aren't in order of when Jacob touched them. He touched Sawyer as a kid. Maybe Sawyer is the candidate, because he is the lowest remaining number on the list?
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Someone on TBI pointed out that Hurley has the lowest number - which correlates well with Miles saying in jest, “Hurley’s in charge now, so that’s good…”
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There is a mini Ack Attack post up already!
http://www.theackattack.net/
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Hurley is a candidate for Jacob, perhaps, and Sawyer is a candidate for helping Flocke cross the water to escape the island?
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There are cave screencaps up already!
http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2010/02/episode-6x04-substitute-candidates.html
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Sawyer just as well be hanging out in that one screencap with his legs wide open. I wonder if they did that for the women that love him(Like ME!!)
I hope they put up a screencap of the Desmond photo. It sure looks like him on my tv. Hoping to see it up close.
Lyrics to the Iggy Pop song "Search and Destroy" that Sawyer was listening to when Flocke arrived, hmmmm.
I'm a street walking cheetah
with a heart full of napalm
I'm a runaway son of the nuclear A-bomb
I am a world's forgotten boy
The one who searches and destroys
Honey gotta help me please
Somebody gotta save my soul
Baby detonates for me
Look out honey, 'cause I'm using technology !
Ain't got time to make no apology
Soul radiation in the dead of night
Love in the middle of a fire fight
Honey gotta strike me blind
Somebody gotta save my soul
Baby penetrates my mind
And I'm the world's forgotten boy
The one who's searchin', searchin' to destroy
And honey I'm the world's forgotten boy
The one who's searchin', searchin' to destroy
Forgotten boy, forgotten boy
Forgotten boy said
hey forgotten boy
I think we may have seen the the new reality's 'Richard'. The first interviewer asked odd questions then appeared upset when he wasn't a people person. Sort of like when Richard didn't the answers he wanted from young Locke. Just throwing it out there.
so locke's interviewer was also hurley's tarot/fortune teller. She's sure cleaned up!
i forgot my notes at home, but here are some thoughts i had:
claire's adoptive lady's husband ran off (last week, i know), but seeing it again tonight, i thought "DESMOND?" he's always breakin' hearts...
so where did Locke REALLY go in australia? to the magic healer that bernard took rose to? if so, he still seemed pretty bummed.
when Ilana bagged Jacob's ashes, i thought of the ash circle and all the dead folks that are potentially spread around when trying to keep Smoky out. (then i thought about all the dead people in the Dharma pit and wondered how many of them were fake dharmites like our 70s LOSTies.)
i'm starting to think more and more that the bomb going off DID affect the "current island time"...ben saying those nice things at the funeral...very unusual...(even if he DID just lie about killing Jacob).
now i know that just because we didn't see Kate's name in the cave doesn't mean it isn't there, but she's not one of The Numbers. and if Shephard refers to Christian, than i'm leaning more towards Jack and Kate being Adam and Eve in the cave.
i totally had a make-out dream with Richard lastnight.
That webpage with the images in the cave started throwing virus warnings at me that I think were bogus because they didn't look like McAfee. Nasty stuff.
8( Jim
Locke-centric episode off-island. Yes. But on-island actually felt more like a Sawyer-centric episode.
I am not sure how they are doing this now but I was wondering about the flash sideways with Locke and not Sawyer.
Locke seems so much like Locke. It's is hard to think of him as MIB. TO me he is still Locke and I am glad that they found a way to keep him on the show even after Death because Locke is my favorite character. James saying he didn't look scared? Many times he didn't. He sure looked a little worried when he saw the boy, who in my opinion is Jacob.
Why is it the first time we see the boy he has blood all over him and the second time he doesn't? Or was that already talked about?
TheyMovedTheIsland ↑ to 83.2% from 83.8%
Whoo hoo! Up a whole six tenths of one percent!
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Hammer: I think we may have seen the the new reality's 'Richard'. The first interviewer asked odd questions then appeared upset when he wasn't a people person. Sort of like when Richard didn't the answers he wanted from young Locke. Just throwing it out there.
Nice catch. Possible.
Shelley: when Ilana bagged Jacob's ashes, i thought of the ash circle and all the dead folks that are potentially spread around when trying to keep Smoky out.
Me, too. I thought maybe all that ash that they used to protect them came from cremation - yikes! That is a lot of dead people!
Shelley: i totally had a make-out dream with Richard last night.
LOL. I've had a few of those, but never about Richard. He is a hottie.
DocH: Locke-centric episode off-island. Yes. But on-island actually felt more like a Sawyer-centric episode.
Agreed. I hope we get a Sawyer off-island flashback, because I think it would be fun!
Tasha: Why is it the first time we see the boy he has blood all over him and the second time he doesn't? Or was that already talked about?
Didn't notice, hasn't been discussed here or on TBI (that I have seen). If it isn't a continuity error, is it to show that the boy is an apparition, perhaps?
You all rock.
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PJ, agree it's only possible, yep he had blood up to his elbows the first time and up is UP! Even if only a little.
PJSander said...
Me, too. I thought maybe all that ash that they used to protect them came from cremation - yikes! That is a lot of dead people
Way back when the Others had the funeral at sea for -- duh -- someone. Did they retrieve the ashes afterward?
So far, imo, everyone in the alt timeline has been logically placed, but how did an Australin fortune teller (Lynn Karnoff) end up as a job interviewer in Los Angeles? (There has been a previous case where one actress was cast in two unrelated roles.)
If Locke is on good terms with his father, how did he become a paraplegic?
8) Jim
Jim, I am hoping that they don't leave out how Locke got hurt, who Kate killed or how Hugo got the numbers.
So far, imo, everyone in the alt timeline has been logically placed, but how did an Australin fortune teller (Lynn Karnoff) end up as a job interviewer in Los Angeles? (There has been a previous case where one actress was cast in two unrelated roles.)
Wasn't she the FAKE fortune teller? Could she have been HIRED to play her? I know that mistakes can be made, but that one is kind of too big.
LP says that according to ABC press release, both appearances constitute the same character.
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If Locke is on good terms with his father, how did he become a paraplegic?
Locke is on good terms with *a* father - that doesn't HAVE to mean Cooper. I think that his condition, Kate's crime, Hurley's luck are all different and I also hope we get to see those stories.
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Cooper for that matter may not even be a con man in new reality. Sawyer's parents are likely dead but may not have died in the manner that made Sawyer a con man.
Sawyer's parents are likely dead but may not have died in the manner that made Sawyer a con man.>Sawyer's parents are likely dead but may not have died in the manner that made Sawyer a con man.
Can't get that to work for me, Hammer. Sawyer's parents died in 1976, the reset was in 1977.
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Tasha: I hope they put up a screencap of the Desmond photo. It sure looks like him on my tv. Hoping to see it up close.
Not Desmond:
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=134844&fullsize=1
However, I think it is interesting that at least two of the three other posters use the word DREAM:
http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season6/6×04/6×04-293.jpg
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Tasha: Why is it the first time we see the boy he has blood all over him and the second time he doesn't?
I don't see a big difference, actually. Here is the first time Locke (and Sawyer) saw him:
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=134785&fullsize=1
Here is the second time Locke saw the boy:
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=134802&fullsize=1
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Oops, I though Lynn Karnoff was the fortune teller connected to Claire. She was in L.A. all along.
8) Jim
Good call PJ, something else made Sawyer a person with a better disposition.
Actually PJ, those are the 2nd and 3rd time Locke saw the boy. The first time was when Flocke was with Richard and the boy clearly had blood on his arms and hands.
Hammer: The first time was when Flocke was with Richard and the boy clearly had blood on his arms and hands.
Oops! You are right, Hammer. Here is the first time Flocke sees him:
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=134652&fullsize=1
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Here is a photo of the one I saw blood.
http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/0fad8083170fa6f80946a701eeba6075
I must have typed that at the same time. Very creepy though. I wonder what that's all about. The most blood looks to be in the palms of his hand. Like he was crucified? I have no idea what the blood could mean.
I'm confused too. If the blood was on his chest, I would say it was supposed to be Jacob. But it's on his arms and hands which makes me think the boy killed someone. I dunno.
Maybe it's more symbolic? Like having someone's blood on his hands, does that make sense?
I suppose so Lins. Until we find out who the boy is anyway.
Toeknee for TBI thinks is shadows from the foliage but I don't. The rest of the shadows on the boy are black, I've never seen red shadows before.
I don't think it's shadows. That is why I had wrote on TBI last night maybe it was MIB's conscious or something. Showing him he ha had blood on his hands. You know like the little guy that sits on your shoulder? Either way I think its Jacob or himself.
jim...lynn was hurley's fortune teller.
lins...i agree about the "blood on his hands" meaning he's guilty of something. or reminding smoky of [his own] guilt.
smoky seemed surprised that sawyer could see the boy. hmmm
also, a friend was asking why Flocke didn't partake of whiskey with sawyer or fish with jacob. not sure if there's any significance.
I'm trying to remember...I thought Locke drank water when he was Flocke?
That's a cool take on ole bloody hands.
Rewatching the cave scene…the producers are telling us that the Shepard on the wall is Jack. Sawyer says “that’s Jack” (not exact words) and then they show the scene when Jacob touched Jack.
taller ghost aaron is a neat idea, but even with time travel, shouldn't he only be about 3 years old?
In spite of my enthusiasm last night, I'm now betting that the Mysterious Boy is not Aaron. The actor is fourteen; that makes the character about fourteen or, if we are in 2007, born in about 1993. The Purge was in December 1992 and we have never heard from Annie since Ben and she were children. Is the Mysterious Child that of Ben and Annie?
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even when they flashed to the 70s, that was still only 3 years. 74-77 on island, 04-07 off island.
so i'm not seeing a way for aaron to be half claire's age.
have we confirmed that TGW was smoky? if so, were michael's visions of ana lucia and libby ALSO smoky? if so, how can smoky get off the island and yet "not go home?"
also thinking "home" might be the temple.
Maybe I took him wrong, but I thought Flocke made it clear that he wanted off the island, that would eliminate the temple as his home.
actually he said "to go home".
the only reason i thought home might be the temple was because at that moment, he was being kept out of there by dogan and the ash. and also, some of those glyphs have alluded to smoky and i just figured he'd been on the island forever.
when locke wanted to go to the construction site, was anyone else thinking he'd bump into michael? :-)
Quoting:
Sawyer: You said there were three choices.
Flocke: The third choice is that we just go. We just get the hell off this island. We never look back.
Sawyer: And how do we do that?
Flocke: Together. So what do you say James? Are you ready to go home?
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I think he wants off the island.
Flocke seems to be speaking in half-truths. When he told Sawyer that Jacob was looking for a replacement candidate, he likely omitted mentioning that HE TOO was looking for a replacement candidate. He needs Sawyer's help to leave the island? Maybe Sawyer becoming his replacement would allow him to leave the island.
Rita said...
Maybe Sawyer becoming his replacement would allow him to leave the island.
The con man gets conned? Juicy!
Does this increase the odds that Sawyer is the male skeleton?
8) Jim
Maybe these people were supposed to be HIS replacements and not Jacob's at all. That's why they ARE NOT on JACOB'S earlier list. These are the people MIB was recruiting. Maybe Jacob being there in their past was not recruiting them to the island but someone saving them by touching them. Or something along those lines. I don't think Jacob brought these people here. Okay, I am not sure about the last statement, but I still think MIB is the one that wrote those names in the cave and he is trying to recruit them. HE is the one looking for a candidate so he can go home.
Right on Doc. Home and off island may very well be the same (which I think to be true).
off-planet
Like "The Little Prince?" Maybe he wants to go back to his rose. I kind of like that. His home isn't just off island.
so the discussion with ben and ilana at the end...."he's stuck this way"...as in smoky is stuck as locke.
any guesses why?
he wasn't stuck as yemi or alex. is it because more than one person has seen this [new]locke?
You guys have been busy while I was out. And I am headed out again momentarily! LOL
Shelley: so the discussion with ben and ilana at the end...."he's stuck this way"...as in smoky is stuck as locke. any guesses why?
Maybe because he took this form for longer that a few moments? Maybe there is a window that is only open for a while? I dunno.
Shelley: even when they flashed to the 70s, that was still only 3 years. 74-77 on island, 04-07 off island. so i'm not seeing a way for aaron to be half claire's age.
Reposting my post from earlier:With [mystery boy possibly being] either Aaron or Charlie, there has to be time traveling. So did Ajira crash in the future maybe? I don't think I can buy that kid as anything less than ten. Aaron was born in 2004, Charlie Hume in no earlier than 2005. We joked about April 8, 2015 at 3:23:42pm (04-08-15, 16:23:42). If it were to be 2015, then the kid would be the right age to be Charlie or Aaron.
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When the blond boy said "you can't kill him" I took it to mean he isn't allowed to kill Sawyer. Perhaps because Sawyer is a candidate.
I think the names on the wall are candidates for Jacob but while I agree that MIB may have recorded them there it is more likely Jacobs cave. Mib through out the white rock. He probably would never have had it there if the cave were his.
I think that MIB is stuck in Locke form because Locke was a candidate. If he was just anybody then MIB could change out.
I am reminded of "The Stand" in this epi. Jacob is the old black women on her porch sitting on her rocker and MIB is the devil, building his army.
Got the feeling that Sawyer will end up being a hero in the end when he realizes he dosn't want to be on MIB's side.
I don't think Sayid is recuted. I think infected and recuited are different. Perhaps one leads to another, sometimes.
CM:I think that MIB is stuck in Locke form because Locke was a candidate. If he was just anybody then MIB could change out.
Good idea!
Got the feeling that Sawyer will end up being a hero in the end when he realizes he dosn't want to be on MIB's side.
I hope so. I want Sawyer to be good.
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Circus Mom said...
I think that MIB is stuck in Locke form because Locke was a candidate. If he was just anybody then MIB could change out.
I liked that until I remembered that MIB was Locke at the Barracks and at the Temple wall; then he became Alex and became Locke again. It had to have been something later, I think.
Sudden inspiration: Could it have something to do with burning nthe cabin? It "has to be" something Ilana was conected to.
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Reposting my post from earlier:With [mystery boy possibly being] either Aaron or Charlie, there has to be time traveling. So did Ajira crash in the future maybe? I don't think I can buy that kid as anything less than ten. Aaron was born in 2004, Charlie Hume in no earlier than 2005. We joked about April 8, 2015 at 3:23:42pm (04-08-15, 16:23:42). If it were to be 2015, then the kid would be the right age to be Charlie or Aaron.
i was loving this! until i confirmed via LOSTpedia that ajira DID crash in 2007. that's why sawyer and his bunch went from 74-77, 3 years, while the off-islanders went from 04-07. and the episode with all the '77 action repeatedly said "30 years later" when it would cut to the ajira scenes.
and the episode with all the '77 action repeatedly said "30 years later" when it would cut to the ajira scenes.
Ah yes, right. Hmmm. Oh well. I guess the detonation wouldn't have caused EVERYONE to move to 2015, huh. *sigh*
It was fun while it lasted! LOL
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that Kid is driving me nuts. Flocke seemed surprised that Sawyer saw him too. and he was obviously someone that Flocke recognized, that's what makes me think it was Jacob.
"you know the rules...you can't kill him." We assume that Smoky's loophole worked since someone else did his dirty work, but i'm guessing that's still a rule-breaker. The rules must be that those 2 can't die; fits in well with the Moon Pool idea. I like that; that they are being punished for pride.
Maybe the boy was just an apparition to remind Flocke of his guilt/"blood on his hands", and that might be why he's surprised that Sawyer could see him. Even then...why chase him...so we could see all that LockeLeggery i guess? I didn't catch that; I've still only seen this one once.
Okay, so the loophole regarding killing Jacob sort of relates to the rules about Widmore and Ben and killing, right? But how?
Ben and Widmore can't kill each other? Shouldn't have been able to have offspring killed, but could?
Jacob and MIB can't kill each other, but MIB found the loophole. Is the fact that it was BEN significant?
Could the MIB be a Widmore? I feel like it is significant that we do NOT know his name.
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I'm leaning toward the cave being MIB's as well. Although, the first time we both of them...they were together and Jacob didn't need any ash, I don't think ash was ever for Jacob. In fact, MIB didn't even kill Jacob (loophole). The ash seems to be to protect 'mortals' (for lack of a better term).
I agree that the cave may be part of the tunnel system to get back to the temple.
PJSander said...
Okay, so the loophole regarding killing Jacob sort of relates to the rules about Widmore and Ben and killing, right? But how?
Ben and Widmore can't kill each other? Shouldn't have been able to have offspring killed, but could?
Well perhaps if he was talking about Sawyer...maybe Sawyer is someone important's offspring? I mean, we know his parents died, but what if there was some island connection that we didn't know about? Or maybe he was like Aaron and ended up being adopted and they weren't even his real parents...?
Eh...I think LP is wrong. But it correct, I am certain it wasn't the medusa as it didn't look anything like the one the ones that bit Nikki.
agree that it was a spider, but it looked too furry to be a medusa spider. plus they made a point to say that locke was "getting ripe."
the tunnels leading to the cave makes sense; the names were scrawled in a back room anyway. i like that about the "no wind" too.
plus they made a point to say that locke was "getting ripe."
Hmmm. I guess I don't know a lot about it, but I would have thought that the embalming process, which would have taken place before the funeral (remember way back in Season 3), should have taken care of a bad smell? Or maybe not. I don't know.
LOL
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Eventually the flesh will break down, embalming isn't taxidermy. LOL.
Good point Doc, but whatever was on Locke did not look anything like the spider used in Expose.
As I write this, LP says (on the episode page) there was a crab on Locke. That won't necessarily be true in ten minutes. Episode pages become more acurate after the NEXT episode.
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DocH: Then, why 'demonstratively' show us a creepy-crawly (with 14 shows left), when they've only ever shown us a creepy-crawly once before? And both of those shows were connected to sand burials at the beachcamp. (toe-tapper!)
Good point. I don't remember the medusa spider looking so fuzzy, but you know I have said all along that Nikki and Paulo were NOT a mistake and that there would be a point to their story so I would not mind if that the spider comes back and bites us (bad pun, I know).
I really don't think it was a crab, no matter what LP says!
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At this point, it would have to be a medusa crab. LOL.
I think it's a crab:
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:6x04_Locke%27s_Spider.jpg
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I will admit, in that photo, it does look crab like. It MOVED like a spider, at least as I remember.
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Worse yet, the Queen Medusa was laying thousands of hatchlings in dead Locke's ear. (to start a Zombie Army)
ROFLOL. Good one!
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Funny Michael Emerson clip, definitely not spoilerish :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRJvaQuCh5c&feature=popular
Finally caught up with all of your excellent thoughts and ideas.
1. IMO the boy is Aaron, just not sure how although we know time-travel is possible. The wheel still exists right?
2. I do believe they are all in the Airja 2007 timeline on the island. We were never shown a flash from the Airja survivors perspective since they have been on the island.
3. I am leaning toward the cave being MIB's. I like the tunnel ideas also and Doch's point about showing us the cheesy climbing down the ladder scene. Not sure what to make of him throwing the stone though. Was it representing him wanting to escape the island or was it because he found the loophole and killed Jacob? The latter makes more sense. I also was thinking the same thing as Rita, that MIB too needs a candidate.
I am also confused on the whole MIB shape-shifting. Maybe it is because Jacob is now dead. I am sure they will address this later but I thought that scene was lame.
BEN: Why did you have to bring him to the statue in the first place?
ILANA: Because the people there need to see the face of what they're up against.
BEN: And whats to stop what they're up against from changing his face?
ILANA: He can't; not anymore. Hes stuck this way.
That's it? C'mon Ben. A little help here for the viewers like a WHY?
Definitely a top fiver for me but hopefully it won't be by the end of the season.
Just saw on the news that I live in the most miserable city by "Forbes". I wonder if anyone from Forbes has ever been here or met the people here. At least we have the KING.
Hmm... The critter may be a spider, but it definitely is not a medusa, as represented in "Expose." There are two, btw, one on Locke's upper right arm and one on his head by his ear. You gotta look fast. My guess is that they're there to provide motion to an otherwise dead scene.
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Michael Emerson rocks. That clip was so hilarious, Lins, thanks. He acts better with his left eyebrow than some actors do with their entire bodies!
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(I can't tell if they have Dharma logos though)
LOL. You are right, Doc. They look like crabs in that photo.
Nikki and Paulo RIP once again! *g*
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In Jughead times, we saw a whole statue.
Did we? I know we saw it in the same episode, but I thought that was a different time flash?
One obvious continuity error -- for the island to hide its' 2000 foot mountain peaks, it would have to sink to 2001 feet. TFTS was at (originally) sea level. That means it would now be at 2000 feet below the surface - meaning - no coral reef, plush wildlife, or light for that matter.
Good call on that one!
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The Swan electro-magnetic force was responsible for the "Snowglobe" around the island. Once they broke the cover on the snowglobe, it sank, and they are transported to WHENever the are now.
++ If the island has sunk more than once, maybe the statue snapped on one of the early submergings.
Excellent idea DocH. As I read somewhere else, maybe that's how the Black Rock ended up in the middle of it.
Is it possible that MIB's cave, or anywhere else on the island for that matter, could lead to an underwater habitat for when the island is submerged?
We joked about April 8, 2015 at 3:23:42pm (04-08-15, 16:23:42).
Just semantics here but wouldn't that be 4:23?
wouldn't that be 4:23?
Indeed, L4E. Typo. Sorry.
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Follow-up question. If MIB has been faux-Christian since the very first episode, are those snazzy white tennis sneakers associated with someone MIB inhabited before Christian?
the white shoes were jack's; he felt his father didn't need to be buried in new shoes.
he was also wearing them when he "visited jack" in the hospital.
so if THAT was MIB too, was MIB also libby that michael saw? and if so, whatup with MIB being able to get off the island.
In Geronimo Jack's Beard (Jorge Garcia's podcast), he says that the script says that the boy in the jungle HAS blood on his hands the first time we see him, but does not the other times.
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Shelley said...
he was also wearing them when he "visited jack" in the hospital.
so if THAT was MIB too, was MIB also libby that michael saw? and if so, whatup with MIB being able to get off the island.
So if that was him and he can already get off the island, why is he making a big deal about leaving the island and going home, whatever that means? I think it's a set up, I don't think he intends to leave really, I think he intends to use Sawyer as his replacement so he can go back to whatever his true form is and finally be free.
I think that it was him in the cabin that said "help me" to Locke...perhaps Jacob made him that way? Perhaps that's why the MIB asked Jacob if he "has any idea how badly I want to kill you right now?", not sure where I'm going with this, just thinking it through...
I say the next dead coffin guy Jack is tasked to bring to the island gets Mrs. Shephard's pink, 4-inch spike, open toed high heels -- let Smokey/MIB run around in those for awhile... that'll slow him down
ROFLOL. I nearly spit my water out all over my keyboard!
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Others have mentioned that they feel Nestor C's acting was a bit off this last episode or 2 - I see it differently. I see a man who was completely in control up until now, but now is SCARED - TERRIFIED. He knows what Flock is, even if we don't. He knows much more and is REALLY SCARED. Being so scared makes him appear weak or something else maybe, but he is a man who is desperate to get back to the temple, and to bring the candidates with him.
I definitely agree on Richard. This is a guy who has always been in control and is now on the run. I can't wait for the backstory on this relationship.
Does Tarzan have nothing to say about current events?
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So far the Nemesis has appeared as:
*Christian Shephard
*Alex Rousseau/Linus
*John Locke
(I still have trouble including the spider(s) as an appearance.)
These are people who were dead on the Island (including Hydra), but were not buried. Two of them were in boxes (coffins). We don't know what happened to Alex. Did Ben carry her into his house? That's a kind of a box.
Still trying to figure out how Ilana is so sure of herself, of course.
Did Helen or Locke throw away Jack's business card or just tear it into four neat pieces?
Tarzan can text?
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I agree with the NestorC analysis completely. Alpert has always been stoic and cool, this is a departure, and IMO, convincing.
Did Helen or Locke throw away Jack's business card or just tear it into four neat pieces?
I wondered the same thing. We never saw the disposal!
Regarding MIB and bodies. We believe he has appeared as Yemi, Alex, Christian - none of whom were buried. Presumably Libby and Ana-Lucia were buried. Charlie was not. Michael was not. That line that was something like "the dead don't stay buried" is seeming even more important. I looked on LP and couldn't find that reference, but I did see that Yemi's body was missing from the plane at some point. Which got me thinking...
If MIB took the form of Christian, Yemi and Alex, maybe it was because no one disposed of their bodies. MAYBE, he is stuck as Locke because his body was found?
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I beleive Ben stayed behind to "bury his daughter" when they left the barracks. I will have to rewatch. If he did say it we certainly didn't see him do it.
I think it is possible that MIB can only take on the form of a candidate, however, I am not that certain. Why did richard want Pauls body when Sawyer burried the two dead hostels.
I too agree with the acting done by Carbonell and I think we are seeing the best from ALL of them this year, that is until Malcolm David Kelley comes back.
Richard may be scared but he also seems out of Jacob's loop when it comes to some of the knowledge.
Regarding MIB and bodies. We believe he has appeared as Yemi, Alex, Christian
I thought we saw smokey turn into Alex when Ben went to be "judged"?
I do agree with CS and Yemi though, but didn't Yemi appear when Eko was being "judged" and then battered?
Did Helen or Locke throw away Jack's business card or just tear it into four neat pieces?
Helen tore it up in 4 pieces after telling Locke he was her miracle. I wonder if her destiny has changed now and she won't die when she did.
Why did richard want Pauls body when Sawyer burried the two dead hostels
Maybe to ensure that MIB couldn't take his form? Ilana knows but the how and why but Ben didn't. That damn Linus.:)
When the boy first appeared Richard couldn't see him but Flock could. Flock said "You can't see him?"
Then the boy appeared to Flock again and Sawyer said "Who the hell is that." and Flock says, "You can see him?" and Sawyer says "Hell yah."
Sawyer could also see Kate's horse. Nobody else seems to see other peoples apparations. I think this is significant but I['m not sure why.
That was me.
So, if the 2007 we are seeing is the new timeline and they were brought to the island again as a course correction, perhaps their 1977 conciousness was transported into the new 2007 timeline. That version of Sayid died and then his new timeline self came back alive. Or not. My head is spinning. I want to watch 12 monkeys tonight and refresh my way of thinking.
Havn't read all TBI but Londonboy mentioned that the numbers seem to be counting down rather than up. I kinda like that.
Also, on the island Miles says "Hurley's in charge now, so thats good." and off island we see Hurley being in charge.
I can't understand why anyone isn't liking this season. There is so much hidden in each epi. Some of it is hidden in plain sight.
Perhaps it is as simple as MIB is stuck as Locke because he entered the temple in that form.
PJ, the line was from Expose (the first time LOST jumped the shark, LOL) when Paolo was burying the diamonds. Locke told him to find a better place to hide them because "Things don't stay buried on this Island..."
Locke told him to find a better place to hide them because "Things don't stay buried on this Island..."
Excellent, Hammer, thank you!
I feel like there was another time when there was a line about the dead not staying buried, like when Colleen Picket was sent to see in a funeral pyre? I couldn't find it in that script though. Maybe we just speculated it enough that my memory THINKS it should be there!
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PJSander said...
Colleen Picket...funeral pyre?
I don't remember any explanation about the "viking" funeral. I loved it because it WAS left hanging as a mystery. I also remember thinking the white clothing of the mourners of unusual, because the Others were, as far as we knew, completely non-Asian and white is commonly worn at funerals in Asia (Bhuddist, I think). Of course, now it's on my list of things I fear I'm never going to see explained.
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Well Jim, if they don't answer why Colleen got a pyre. I'm going to chalk it up to Colleen was a Norwegian Bhuddist. ;)
LOL!
8) Jim
Colleen was a Norwegian Bhuddist
Another water spitting moment!
The new, and complete Substitute Ack Attack is up!
http://www.theackattack.net/?p=1350
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