Monday, March 8, 2010

Dr. Linus

Well, gees, I am not sure I should automatically ASSUME that this is Ben-centric episode after last week's Sundown bait and switch. I heard that this was an Emerson-heavy episode, which honestly thrills me. Give me an O'Quinn or Emerson heavy episode (or better, BOTH), throw in some Garcia for giggles, and it is nearly guaranteed to be awesome.

146 comments:

DocH said...

Perhaps in the flash sideways timeline... Doctor Linus is Roger 'Workman' Linus. They've all had such different lives going back to 1977-ish. Roger never left for the island, and Ben got the Dad he always wanted.

Lindsay said...

SOOO excited for this episode! I hope we get to see Roger again...and I'm assuming Alex as well. Maybe they'll even throw in Widmore! Who knows, in these crazy flash sideways, Widmore's probably the principal at the school we saw Ben working at!

Hammer said...

The doctor part has me wondering. Ben was is teacher in FS...no?

PJSander said...

Doctor Linus is Roger 'Workman' Linus.

Who knows, in these crazy flash sideways, Widmore's probably the principal at the school we saw Ben working at!

I love it!

: ) P

PJSander said...

The doctor part has me wondering. Ben was is teacher in FS...no?

He could have a doctorate in education.

: ) P

Jim in Georgia said...

PJSander said...
The doctor part has me wondering. Ben was is teacher in FS...no?

He could have a doctorate in education.


That's my bet, but he was working out of a veterinary clinic when he patched up Sayid many moons ago.

8) Jim

Hammer said...

I thought about the doctorate in ed., but putting "Dr." in an epi title seems like they want us to know he's a doctor or Roger is, or his mom...or better yet...Annie?

Miss Kim said...

Could be Dr. Linus the teacher...could be Dr. as in the person who finds a cure for something...like a cure for what is taking over Sayid and Clare. Good remembering about the vet clinic Jim. I'm with you PJ-anything Ben-centric thrills me!

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lost4ever said...

The doctor part has me wondering. Ben was is teacher in FS...no?

He could have a doctorate in education.


Like the science teacher from the original 815, Arzt. I too wonder if he is with Annie in the FSW or could he possibly be David's teacher?

Really I am more interested on what happened to him after leaving Sayid by the "drowning pool" and not catching up with Ilana and crew.

Taco night here.

Hammer said...

BLT, hand full of potato chips and a glass of home brewed iced tea.

Thought about Keamy's eggs...

Hammer said...

Ut-oh Doc....dead Jacob may not be dead Jacob...like you said.

Hammer said...

Well now maybe not. I thought Alpert meant not to listen to Jacob because he wasn't Jacob...sounds more like he's just jaded.

Hammer said...

Okay Jim...prime candidate Jack, kudos as I think you nailed it. Going back to his eye being the first thing we saw...betcha is eye is last thing we see.

PJSander said...

Emerson did NOT disappoint!

We got a lot of answers tonight, it felt like.

One of the Kwons is a candidate and Ilana doesn't know which one, but it *is* a candidate to replace Jacob.

There are only six candidates left... though now that Locke is off the list, does that really mean five?

We know why Alpert doesn't age.

We know exactly how Miles can "talk" to the dead.

I *think* we know that Alpert did indeed come to the island on the Black Rock, even though no one actually SAID it.

I think there were more answers, but off the top of my head.

Great episode - fastest hour this season I think.

: ) P

PJSander said...

Going back to his eye being the first thing we saw...betcha is eye is last thing we see.

That would be fitting.

: ) P

PJSander said...

By the way, I was totally bawling with the beach reunion of Hurley and Sun, et al. Michael Giacchino is a god.

Widmore on the sub... is that the person Jacob is expecting to arrive?

: ) P

Hammer said...

Just watched the "Ut-oh" scene again...man is that funny!

PJSander said...

Ut-oh scene?

Hammer said...

When Ilana says Jacob was like a dad to her after Miles tells everyone Linus killed him...then Miles says "Ut-oh".

PJSander said...

LOL. Yes, that was funny.

: ) P

PJSander said...

I missed a second or two here and there. Did Miles say that Nikki and Paulo were buried *alive* with $8mm worth of diamonds?

: ) P

Jim in Georgia said...

If Jacob's touch gave Richard agelessness (not immortality), did it give all the candidates the same? I'm not sure where we are on timelines, like how long it's been from the day Jacob touched Jack until whenever in 2007.

I thought they did a great job "rehabilitating" Roger. We FINALLY get a mention in FSW of the Island!

8) Jim

Jim in Georgia said...

PJSander said...
I missed a second or two here and there. Did Miles say that Nikki and Paulo were buried *alive* with $8mm worth of diamonds?


Don't know, but did you notice him with diamonds at the end? Did he did them up?

8) Jim

Tasha said...

Wow. That was a great episode. I actually got all teary eyed when Ben was explaining to Llana why he did it. Well this time he chose Alex over power...even though she wasn't his daughter. We also now know, since there was some debate in the past that Ben was on the island and then left. Means his mom still died i guess but his dad had changed. That would be because Sayid second time around(or was it first?). I am still a little confused. NEED...TO...PROCESS....MORE

Hammer said...

Well, Jacob touched a few a kids...so I don't think it's the only gift he gives.

I assume Miles was digging.

PJSander said...

If Jacob's touch gave Richard agelessness (not immortality), did it give all the candidates the same? I'm not sure where we are on timelines, like how long it's been from the day Jacob touched Jack until whenever in 2007.

I don't know that it was necessarily the same gift for each person. Sawyer and Kate were kids, yet they grew up.

: ) P

PJSander said...

Means his mom still died i guess but his dad had changed. That would be because Sayid second time around(or was it first?). I am still a little confused.

Ben still went to the island, because they arrived there PRIOR to 1977. Sayid would have still shot him, because that happened prior to the detonation. Ben was still taken to the temple, "saved" and then...? Sometime after the detonation "reset" things, he must have been reunited with his father and they left the island.

Interesting point!

: ) P

Hammer said...

Yup PJ...he said buried alive.

PJSander said...

Yup PJ...he said buried alive.

Good. Thank you! I thought that's what I heard, but I was coughing at the time *g*.

Here's the thing though... *BEN* shouldn't have known about Nikki and Paulo, right? Right? If so, why didn't he question Miles when he said such an outrageous thing?!

: ) P

Hammer said...

Oh PJ..Ben's been around long enough to know outrageous isn't.

Hammer said...

Bedtime for Bonzo:

Is there daycare on that sub? I think Widmore was the one trying to get custody of Aaron...wonder if Aaron is with Widmore.

Lindsay said...

Great episode, I need to go back and watch the scene with Ben and his dad again though. I'm glad he decided to stay with Ilana's group. I'm assuming Widmore is who Jacob was referring to when he said that someone is coming to the island, can't wait to see why! So does Ben choosing Ilana's (a.k.a. Jacob's) group mean that he is ultimately good? Seems like before this season began that that was the "ultimate question"...

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PJSander said...

Don't you hate it when you develop a theory and then find holes in it while you are typing it out?

I was thinking that maybe the six candidates that are left are the Oceanic 6, and that Aaron is the missing link. Then I remembered that Ilana didn't know which Kwon it was, and I think she'd know that Jin wasn't one of them. Oh well.

: ) P

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PJSander said...

Okay, I made a LOST promo for that contest. It took a while to get it right, but I love the way it turned out:

http://lost-promo-contest.abc.go.com/published/3733

: ) P

Circus Mom said...

PJ, I was crying along with you at the reunion scene.

Hurley, Sun or Jin, Sawyer, Jack, are 4 of the candidates. Pretty sure Illana knows Locke is out but not sure about Sayid. She said there were 6 but Linus, Littleton, Chang, Straum and Austin are already crossed off. I am betting on Frank being one.

I bet Jacob touched Michael and that is why he couldn't kill himself.

Gup said...

I was also trying to remember if Jacob ever touched Juliet when he visited her when she was a little girl?

PJSander said...

I was also trying to remember if Jacob ever touched Juliet when he visited her when she was a little girl?

We didn't see Jacob in Juliet's childhood. Just Rachel and her parents with her in her poorly staged home.

: ) P

flgrl said...

I bet Jacob touched Michael and that is why he couldn't kill himself.



CM: I really like that theory!

I was so distraught over Ben. I can't believe they've manipulated me into feeling so sorry for him. I don't believe he was always good, but he has definitely redeemed himself to me.

Widmore!!!! So excited to see him. I think he's really going to spice it up. The thing I don't care for, and the podcast confirmed this, is that they are basically just using this season to set up the big battle. I understand that that is what it all comes down to, but I miss the characters and their interaction.

Rita said...

At least the "good" and "bad" sides are becoming clearer - at least in my mind. Ilana showed mercy to Ben, a very good trait. FLocke offered Ben power -something he had previously craved - even though he knew Ben wasn't a candidate and wouldn't be the "chosen" one. A deception to get him to follow (always worked before!) - a very bad trait.

PJSander said...

Maybe. I have it stuck in my head that *the* six have to be those that are attached to *the* numbers, but I feel like it can't be since Ilana said there are six and she knows Locke is dead.

Kate's name is not crossed out. If Ilana doesn't know about Sayid, that would make six left.

: ) P

Hammer said...

Yeah, I think everyone one that is 'brought'(by Jacob) to the island is a candidate. The six numbers have a bigger significance (yet TBD). It appears that some people end up on the island as 'cost of doing business' and aren't candidates.

Lindsay said...

In that case, wouldn't the six be Kate, Sawyer, Jack, Hurley, Sayid, and either Jin or Sun? That's everyone that was "touched" by Jacob. I have to wonder though, with all the crossed off names and Jacob and MIB's talk on the beach if all of this has happened before, trying to find a replacement candidate, makes sense that it "only ends once" and "everything that happens is just progress" and "they come, they fight, they destroy", I am paraphrasing of course...but maybe that's been the point of the whole show, to simply find a replacement to "rule the island"

Jim in Georgia said...

PJSander said...
Okay, I made a LOST promo...


Fived stars, PJ!

Seems to me there was one previous time I felt sorry for Ben. It might've been when Alex died. I hate it when they do that to me. Real Ben is often depicted as evil, but he serves a cause -- "his" Island -- and he gives of himself in the name of that cause. FSW Ben gave, too; he could have thrown FSW Alex to the dogs. Ben's a pragmatist.

8) Jim

Tasha said...

I made a Promo. Thanks PJ!

http://lost-promo-contest.abc.go.com/published/3855

Yours was great!

Hammer said...

Both promos are very cool.

Tasha said...

I am watching some of them now thinking...mine isn't much different than 100 other peoples. I worked on that since last night LOL. I am wondering if I can change it. Seems like everyone did something about "reason" or "purpose." That has always been my favorite part about this show since it came out. 6 years! What will I do with myself next year?

Hammer said...

I was gonna do one but I saw those too and I think in order to win you gotta use your own stuff to stand out. I don't have the tools.

lost4ever said...

The references between the FSW and the island story was the best we have seen so far. I never thought of comparing Ben to Napoleon...genius.

I wonder if the dynamite would have detonated even if Jack wasn't there? Richard had a gift from Jacob, how does he know if the island is done with him yet? He seems very naive to me, almost like Locke of Season 1-5.

PJSander said...

I loved your promo, Tasha!

I am watching some of them now thinking...mine isn't much different than 100 other peoples.

I was saying the same thing to dh this morning. I think the "winning" clips are going to have the right combination of scenes to set up the final episode. One thing I noticed is that there are VERY few clips with Sayid in them. I wonder what that might mean?

: ) P

PJSander said...

He seems very naive to me, almost like Locke of Season 1-5.

Naivete or blind faith?

: ) P

lost4ever said...

I thought Alpert meant not to listen to Jacob because he wasn't Jacob...sounds more like he's just jaded.

I got the impression that he is unaware that Jacob, or some piece of him still exists.

Widmore on the sub... is that the person Jacob is expecting to arrive?

I would think so. It seemed like an easier find for him this time around.

*BEN* shouldn't have known about Nikki and Paulo, right? Right? If so, why didn't he question Miles when he said such an outrageous thing?!

Why wouldn't Ben have known about Nikki and Paulo? It has been so long since I have seen that episode but I thought Ben and the Others had "files" on everyone. I am just glad they mentioned them last night.

lost4ever said...

Naivete or blind faith?
For me, one in the same I guess, depending on the circumstances. In Locke's case it was obviously naivete. Look what happened to him, he and Jacob were played since day one by MIB.

Hammer said...

@Widmore with an easier find...Eloise is still manning the lamp post I assume.

@Richard, he said something similar to Ben about Jacob telling him to be patient. As I said earlier, he's jaded.

@Sayid...he's a goner, blackness made it to his heart...he dies in the battle.

lost4ever said...

As I said earlier, he's jaded.

And a little ignorant.

lost4ever said...

@Widmore with an easier find...Eloise is still manning the lamp post I assume

That maybe part of it but she was wo-manning the lamp post for what appeared to be along time. More to it than that.

Hammer said...

Agreed L4E.

Seems very few are enlightened and their levels of enlightenment vary.

Hammer said...

Did anyone get the feeling that when Ilana said a candidate would be picked, she meant by someone higher than Jacob. I don't remember why...but it felt like that to me.

lost4ever said...

I don't remember why...but it felt like that to me.

Me too...maybe more than one.

Shelley said...

emotional chest pains during the Ben/Ilana scene! I wasn't expecting such a juicy ep after last week's; they tend to go awesome-great-awesome-great on alternating weeks...

so IF the fsw is a the upcoming "future"/a Reset, I wonder how far back in time it goes.

Hammer said...

Watcha mean Shelley? I think it goes back to the 70s for talking purposes, but they would only go back as far as th plane landing on the show...goes forward from there.

Shelley said...

I guess I'm saying that I'm not so sure that the bomb is what causes the FSW. My friend thinks that the 2 timelines have always existed and kind of rely on each other. Possible.
I'm seeing it more as a do-over based on redemption and whose side they choose. and I'm wondering if that "wrinkle in time" will go back far enough to include Richard (even if we don't get to see it).

Hammer said...

Gotcha. FWIW, I don't think it's been parallel all along (although it may be parallel starting in the 70s), I think it's some variation of CM's theory.

Jim in Georgia said...

Two more theories:

Original: The event occurs. It's not cataclysmic, but it's far from comfortable. Then it's over. But 108 minutes later it happens again. And 108 minutes later... Chang, et. al. figure out how to control it by "bleeding off" the energy. Time marches on.

FSW: Ben comes home to a father who, faced with the imminent death of his son, realizes the treasure he had all along. They reconcile. Meanwhile, DHARMA decides they've had all they can take of Roger and send him home. DHARMA has deep pockets. They provide an education (and stipend?) for Ben because he wasn't proven to have done anything wrong. Years later, an elderly Roger has fond memories of the Island and the people he met.

8) Jim

Hammer said...

I think the Linus' still being part of DHARMA in the FSW is the link back to original timeline. Ben is going to run into Jack or Kate or someone and 'remember' what happened leading up to the incident...I can only guess what that will do.

Lindsay said...

Good point Hammer, perhaps Locke is the link in that? I'm betting that he mentions something in the staff lunch room about a consult with a Jack Shepard...who knows!

Hammer said...

Maybe, I was thinking he would run into someone that would create the big dramatic moment...maybe Sayid since he shot him.

Shelley said...

so I wonder when the island sank. It's hard for me to picture the time lines merging with the island now "gone".

Jim in Georgia said...

Shelley said...
so I wonder when the island sank.


For me that is the toughest nut to crack. I think the when and how are something the producers owe us, but I'm not sure we're gonna see.

Up until "Dr. Linus," I could have accepted the argument that it had sunk centuries ago. Of course, we don't actually know that FSW Roger was talking about the SAME Island. Come to think of it, given Roger's state of mind, we don't know if he was ever on an island.

8) Jim

Hammer said...

Jim, the video we saw of the sunken island had the DHARMA barracks. So if the island only sunk once (which I doubt) it wasn't centuries ago.

I see your point about Linus and maybe DHARMA was on a different island...but I strongly doubt he was making it up because he said "DHARMA". I am really thinking it was a strong hint to start connecting the two time lines.

Jim in Georgia said...

Oops, the barracks!

8) Jim

Shelley said...

see, I think it would certainly be neat and entertaining for the time lines to merge, but I just don't know how they're gonna pull that off with a sunken island.

Hammer said...

I think the island will rise again. I feel it's sunk before and the reason the Black Rock is inland.

Shelley said...

true. i keep forgetting about that.

Circus Mom said...

I think Richard said not to listen to Jacob because Jacob is dead and Richard dosn't know that Hurley can talk to dead people. Richard listened to and trusted Flock and then found out Locke was dead and Flock was MIB. Perhaps he thinks Hurley was really talking to MIB.

Circus Mom said...

One timeline with a loop.

1954-1974
1975-1977 W/ our losties

1977-2004 till plane crash loop 1

2004-2005 on island loop 1

2005-2007 with O6 and TT (Sawyer et al to that 70's show) occures loop 1

2007 Final battle

1975-1977 w/o losties occures loop 2

1977-2004 non crash loop 2

The island ends up under water in loop 2 between 1977-2004 when an incident happens. Changs video about them all dying accualy occures in loop 2 and by trying to stop it they cause it to happen as it is always supposed to.

Shelley said...

so Chang's video is taped while the island is underwater?

Circus Mom said...

Changs video is taped in loop 2 just before the island goes underwater.

DocH said...

For LOST and F-Forward fans - Dom Monaghan is scheduled on Craig Ferguson tonight as prime guest. aka approx 1:05 AM East & West... 12:05 AM everywhere in-betwixt.

PJSander said...

I think it would certainly be neat and entertaining for the time lines to merge, but I just don't know how they're gonna pull that off with a sunken island.

There may be more than one way to move the island. If the island HAS been underwater before (Black Rock mid-island) then either someone had some super-duper scuba gear, or there is an off-island donkey wheel.

Of course, we don't actually know that FSW Roger was talking about the SAME Island. Come to think of it, given Roger's state of mind, we don't know if he was ever on an island.

We don't know if it is the same island, true, but I think it is. Remember that if the "reset" was caused by the detonation, then everything BEFORE that would have been the same. Roger and young Ben WERE on that island; Sayid DID shoot Ben; he WAS taken to the temple (and presumably healed). THEN the detonation happened. What we don't know is what changed that Ben and Roger left the island. Maybe Roger was SO relieved that Ben survived the shooting, that he changed his ways and tried to be a kind father.

: ) P

Hammer said...

Yup PJ, @ Roger, I seem to remember Roger telling Kate something to that effect. Setting us up for that FSW scene.

Shelley said...

I'm getting on board here, but I still need to ask questions to talk it out.
I'm picturing a timeline shaped like a Y, and the split is the detonation, right?
So assuming the island has sunken/risen before, are we also assuming that the ship Jacob and MIB saw was the Black Rock? If so, did they know it was coming (because it had come before)? and did the island rise under the ship "a different time around"?

IF the island can sink with an external wheel/switch, I'm guessing it's either in Tunisia, The Lamp Post, or Ann Arbor?

I'm also thinking (all over again) that Locke had been to the island pre-2004 crash. We used to think that back in the day because he had such a strong sense of the island and knew when it would rain, etc.

Hamnation, are the people who died on the other branch (in time) of the Y the whisperers? I think that's what you're saying; I can dig that.

Hammer said...

I think some folks think it's a Y. I'm not sure. I THINK that I think that it doesn't branch, it's just that there is a reset going forward. Sort of like how time kept going forward but the losties ended up living for 3 years in the 70s while other losties lived for 3 years in the 00s. Time went back to the 70s and are living like the incident happened. I trying to wrap my head around why they are purposely doing the FSW in a different year than the 'current' time line is running...I think it's to make sure we don't think it's a parellel time.

Hammer said...

Being that I'm not sure there is Y, I guess I don't think the whispers are coming from there.

The more I read the transcripts, the more I think they are advisors to the good side. They seem to want to help, and need help and it seem to me that the help needed is to stop the evil side from tipping the balance.

Shelley said...

Ok. I actually like that better; goes along with the "record" thing. And that time is one continual piece/string. (The donkey wheel is the needle?)
I didn't like the Y because it would've probably meant that if there were 2 branches, there could be a jillion. (and I guess there could be.)
But if time is like an orchid swirl, I can also see how certain years are "parallel".

lost4ever said...

. Remember that if the "reset" was caused by the detonation

I am not sure that this is the case. I think the reset is caused by what we are seeing play out on the island.

As for the timelines, I thought they stated their is only one timeline and no alternate reality, but I am not sure about that.

I do like CM's line of thinking about the timeline but even if somehow all these people get together and crash on the island in the FSW, they are completely different LOSTies then the ones we are seeing on the island. I guees it will all play out in just 9 and a half short weeks.

I guess Rosseau's craft ended up somewhere near LA in the FSW. Alex had no hint of French in her accent. Is she going to die soon since she died on the island?

Shelley said...

I agree that the reset is caused by what's going on now. That the detonation caused time travel, and we are seeing "current" time and "reset/do-over" sideways time.

Not sure yet if I think the time lines will merge, but for those that want them to (even tho the island is sunken), I guess that's only possible if they get on a plane and "land in the 70s". Right?
*cut to Jack's eye opening on the beach*

Shelley said...

and IF the FSW folks WANT to go back to the island, they'd have to have a pretty good reason. Rescue someone, change something.
Maybe that's how DHARMA came to be?

Hammer said...

From TBI:

Miss lost
Comment 205, posted 3 minutes ago - Quote and reply
I rewatched the ep last night and I thought about the conversation between Jack and Richard. Richard stated that it is impossible to kill yourself once Jacob has touched you but that someone else could do it.
Maybe this has something to do with the bomb. When Jack threw the bomb down the hole this could help confirm that the bomb did not go off much like the dynomite did not explode. Could be why they flased instead and none of the people touched by Jacob were hurt...

Hmmmm...

circus Mom said...

With the timeline I suggested the reset would be caused by what they are doing now. The 2007 losties have the memories of Loop 1. Loop 2 is erasing and replacing Loop 2 but we are only seeing loop 2 up to 2004. When loop 2 catches up to the reset event Loop 1 will no longer exist. Once that happens the 'New' losties will be firmly set in their new memories. Jack will no longer have trouble remembering things like his appendix.

Circus Mom said...

Speaking of Elba and Napelion, dosn't it seem like MIB has been exhiled to the island. Perhaps he kept his title and lost his power also?

The book on the beach was "The Chosen" Just found that interesting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chosen_(Chaim_Potok)

Hammer said...

Good catch CM. MIBs power is 'at home'....processing....

Jim in Georgia said...

Hammer said...
From TBI...
When Jack threw the bomb down the hole...


It didn't go off! Ultimately, it was Juliet who committed suicide and she was the only one who was fatally injured in the act. Or did the fact that Jack made the initial move carry forward and Juliet wasn't killed by the bomb, but by the fall? I Dunno.

8) Jim

Hammer said...

I agree that the detonator didn't go off, and that Juliette attempted suicide...but I'm not sure she succeeded. She may have died from the injuries of the fall, which she did not intend.

Jim in Georgia said...

Time to review "The Theory of Everything:"

There was the Island, populated by a bunch of people of varying backgrounds who had been brought they by the longest-lived resident, Jacob. There was also some other creature. That tinyurl Doc dropped for us a couple of days ago on Sundown included a theory that Smoke is a genie from Mesopotamia. Strictly speaking, the genie disagrees with Smoke having told Sawyer that he was once a man. (Genies are a separate creation from humans and angels, but that may be getting a little too deep.) Anyway, he's there.

Locke was corrupted early, when he first "looked into the eye" of the Island. He accompanied Smoke to the cabin and broke the ash ring, allowing Smoke to have access to whatever it was in the cabin that he wanted/needed. When Ben took Locke to the cabin to meet Jacob, Locke knew it was a lie, but he did not tell Ben that either then or when Ben shot him.

After entering the cabin and retrieving "it," Smoke became stronger. He was able to remain in the form of a human for longer periods of time. This allowed to put his plan into motion to find someone to help him get home. That person might be Sawyer.
The person has to carry Smoke to the mainland of Eurasia so he can go home without having to cross any wide expanses of water.

Oh, yeah, for all this to happen, they have to have Smoke's (the genie's) lamp so he can get back inside for the trip. Maybe that's what the "it" in the cabin was.

For more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie

8) Jim

Hammer said...

It's plausible, but do we have ANY references to genies from the show?

Shelley said...

woah....

I think the bomb went off, caused them to travel to present island time, was/is The Incident because WHH.
But my mind is always changing as my theories come together.
So those that think the bomb did NOT go off, what makes you think that? And how/why did the Losties travel to present island time? What made the island sink? Any answers will help piece my imploded mind back together. Thanks! :-)

Hammer said...

The detonator didn't go off when Jack threw it down the hole. My belief is that it did go off when Jules was smacking it with a rock. Explosion creates a flash (current time line...Kate it a tree...yada yada) AND FSW with what???????. Everyone near the drilling hole dies? Island sinking? Y in the timeline? Parallel timeline? New timeline?

Shelley said...

k...I agree that it went off when Jules hit it; but I keep coming across other folks that think it never went off. And I don't know how they can think that until I get some good explanations.

Meanwhile, I'm picturing FSW Dogen boozing it up and killing Jack's son in a car crash. Jack isn't able to save him. He starts popping pills, grows a fake beard, all while getting wind of the island somehow. And he decides he HAS TO GO BACK! in time.
;-)

Hammer said...

Here is to hoping THAT don't happen...LOL.

Hammer said...

Oh, and yeah...what do they think caused the flash that put Kate in a tree (those folks that think it never detonated)? Some one turning the wheel again?

Shelley said...

I'm guessing the non-detonators think so because Juliet didn't blow up. But I think the detonation simultaneously caused a time change.
If 316 folks can get sucked/flashed out of a plane, then Juliet can travel in time. If she "has work to do" or what have you.

Hammer said...

Yeah Shell, it seems to me that since she flashed around time with group during the TT episodes...she would likely flash with them this time too.

lost4ever said...

Dogen boozing it up and killing Jack's son in a car crash

That was in Dogen's "old" timeline. I dont think that ever happened to Dogen in the "new" 815. We already know the sunken island has affected all of their lives so I don't see why Dogen would be any different.

Shelley said...

I was kinda kidding about the Dogen stuff. But I do think that some stuff will course correct itself; Keamy died. Because Sayid is still a killer in the FSW.
Not sure yet if the time lines will merge (even though I don't think they're 2 separate lines), but it WOULD make for some neat tv. Maybe? and it would require a catastrophic or life-changing event to make one want to go back in time.
The Jack/Dogen thing was a stretch/joke, but if we get a FSW Christian sighting, then I may take it more seriously.

On a different note, any guesses what Locke was doing in Australia? Maybe seeing Bernard's Rose-healer? only to find out he can't be healed? That would make him hopeless (about walking) in the FSW.

lost4ever said...

On a different note, any guesses what Locke was doing in Australia?

He told Helen he was going to go on a walkabout.

lost4ever said...

But I do think that some stuff will course correct itself; Keamy died.

So will Alex die? How about Rousseau and Karl or even Henry Gale? I sure wish we would have met him. I am still wondering why pregnant women died on the island for a period of time.

Shelley said...

but we know he DIDN'T go on the walkabout. so I'm guessing where he DID go.

lost4ever said...

Everyone near the drilling hole dies

WHH. The "Incident" always occured the way we saw it.

Hammer said...

I've stated that I think all the people that died between 04 and 07(including during TT) on the island will die in FSW between 04 and 07.

Shelley said...

WHH can't ALWAYS be true or the universe wouldn't need a way to course-correct things.
Daniel even said he THOUGHT WHH but was forgetting about The Variable.
I agree, Hammer, about those people dying in the FSW.

Shelley said...

everyone drilling near the hole can't have always died; Chang went on to lose and arm and make more Dharma videos.

lost4ever said...

so I'm guessing where he DID go.
Gotcha. The way he described it to Helen in "The Substitute", was what we saw in the original timeline. "Don't tell me what I can't do". Did he do anything else in the original timeline? or just get on 815?

Shelley said...

right; he told helen the truth, but he was still in Australia the whole time. doing SOMEthing all week.

lost4ever said...

WHH can't ALWAYS be true or the universe wouldn't need a way to course-correct things.
Daniel even said he THOUGHT WHH but was forgetting about The Variable.


Agreed. But IMO, we haven't seen the Variable yet. Up to this point, for me, WHH on the island leading to the latest "flash" rings true.

Shelley said...

agreed; just saying that I take the whole WHH with a grain of salt.

PJSander said...

Wow, you guys have been busy!

I'm still LOST muddling through all the information. I think at this point, I need to step back and let D&C tell me what happened, because every time I think I am starting to figure it out, I get a new download of information to complicate everything!

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Shelley said...

in the FSW, Locke TOLD Helen he was unable to go on the walkabout. So I still have no reason to think he ever did. Other than his sweet knife skills and other badassery! :-D

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Circus Mom said...

So what did Locke do in Australia for a week the first time around? He was denied the walkabout and ended up on 815 just the same so he must have been there for a week.

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Hammer said...

I would agree that a walkabout doesn't have to be with a commercial group. I have had several 'walkabouts' of my own in life. Just not in Australia with a tour guide.

PJSander said...

Tasha posted this on Facebook, but for those who haven't seen it yet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd6n_5XKVxo

"If LOST were Baywatch." Seriously, awesome. There is one brief kiss, which apparently gets it tagged as "adult content" but I would let me kids watch!

: ) P

lost4ever said...

Can't understand why some think Locke did not go on a Walkabout in FS world

He's still paralyzed, right?. Unless you mean he's not really paralyzed..or maybe the Aussie rules on "walkabouts" are different now.

My guess is that the blast at the EM anomaly in 1977 by Juliet started IMMEDIATELY adjusting everbodies - in 1977

Perfectly stated. My opinion has changed.

Okay here is where I use logic

Are we watching the same show???

lost4ever said...

I have had several 'walkabouts' of my own in life.

If that's what D&C meant by "Walkabout" then they must not know any Aussies.

lost4ever said...

I think at this point, I need to step back and let D&C tell me what happened, because every time I think I am starting to figure it out

Totally agree, but it's still fun to debate. Only 9 1/2 weeks left and I may not TYPE with you brilliant people after that.:)

lost4ever said...

Webster's definition of suicide.

: the act or an instance of taking one's own life voluntarily and intentionally especially by a person of years of discretion and of sound mind

Sounds like Juliet's act to me, but like everything else with this show it's perspective.

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lost4ever said...

Of course I disagree with you DocH and what you may refer to as a "walkabout". A "Walkabout" is a rite of passage for male Ausralian Aborginees. You may have expereienced a generic walkabout but that is not the same thing, IMO.

I guess Webster's definition is wrong. I saw Juliet voluntarily and intentionally banging on the detonator. She seems to be a person of years with descretion and a sound mind.

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Shelley said...

i don't think he did. or he would've called jack and not given helen the "i'm never gonna walk you down the isle" speech.
that's why i was guessing he might've visited the healer that bernard took rose to. only to hear that he couldn't be healed.

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Shelley said...

agreed about juliet's sacrifice and locke's karma and other potential walkabout. but i think randy was throwing out that suntan line just to bust his chops; let him know he knew he wasn't at the conference.

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Hammer said...

I fully agree with Doc on the walkabout issue. I think D&C
DID mean 'that kind' of walkabout simply because Locke isn't Australian aboriginal. (sparing the details of mine)

I fully agree with L4E on the suicide issue. Removing emotion, a medical examiner rules a death caused by one's self a suicide. Jim used the correct sterile term. It is was it is.

Jim in Georgia said...

I didn't intend to drop the theory that included a genie and leave town, but my wife has been taking care of her sick mother and we had a chance to get some time away so..., we left town.

Anyway, in answer to Hammer's question, I guess the only reference to genies on the show is the smoke. Think of that adorable blue being portrayed by Robin Williams in Aladdin.

My primary objection to the idea that the bomb caused everyone in 1977 to end up in 2007 was that there was no bomb.

Firstly, the main casing cracked, allowing the fissionable material to leak out, thereby rendering the device less dangerous, not more dangerous. Daniel was a temporal physicist, not a nuclear physicist.

Secondly, Sayid removes a "core" from the bomb that wasn't big enough to contain any appreciable nuclear material and the conventional munitions that make it go.

Finally, you can not detonate a U.S. nuclear device by beating on it with a rock; trust me on that one.

I know it's Hollywood, but give me a break.

I have to add my own two cents worth about the walkabout. I think the FSW experience for Locke played out the same as the original one. FSW Locke described the rigors of the experience to Boone. Unless there's a walkabout for the physically challenged, I don't see him going anywhere but the hotel pool to get his suntan.

Who knows what happens next in Recon -- there's a nice bland title for us.

8) Jim

PJSander said...

New Ack Attack is up!

http://www.theackattack.net/?p=1464

: ) P

PJSander said...

Two new video (eh) podcasts and a possibly spoilery but entertaining audio podcast is up at abc.com.

I didn't worry about what I heard, because I trust D&C.

: ) P

PJSander said...

An important (IMO) quote from the podcast, regarding why Ilana said that MIB is stuck as FLocke. This might clear things up:

Carlton Cuse: I think that the critical event was Jacob's death. The Man In Black may have had the ability to take multiple forms, but after Jacob died, I think it is a very likely explanation that he was stuck in the form that he was in when Jacob died, which happened to be John Locke... he can no longer turn into other people.

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Hammer said...

Going along with what D & C have said in podcasts...in the LA X podcast, both of them mentioned (combined at least 3 times) that bomb went off. While I agree that even they are ignoring the fact the detonator was removed from the bomb and was used, I think they are making it clear that the detonator did in fact go off AND did what Faraday said it would do.

PJSander said...

New post is up!

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