Well now, here is a title with some possible options.
"Recon" as in reconnaissance(from Wiki):(literately French "recognition" • from Middle French reconoissance; Old French reconoistre; "-to recognize"), is a military term denoting a preliminary survey; especially: an exploratory military survey (also scouting) conducted to gain, or collect information.
or (and I think this is more likely)
"Recon" as in re-con, to con again (from The Free Dictionary): To swindle (a victim) by first winning his or her confidence; dupe.
Does anyone else expect this to be perhaps, a Sawyer-centric episode?
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I think both of your thoughts are accurate...Sawyer centric(FSW cons are 'redone')...someone goes behind enemy lines.
I agree, I think it will be Sawyer-centric and it will be really interesting to see his FSW. Plus, I'm excited to see what he's been up to since Locke recruited him...correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the last time we saw him, he was still in the cave checking out the names written on the ceiling and talking to Locke about leaving the island, right?
* Reconnaissance
* War
* Widmore
John Locke was to be Widmore's field commander in the war but that didn't turn out too well. Widmore has had to go into the field himself. (It would be nice if they tell us how he found the Island. Eloise?)
First step is to recon the ground.
Widmore once said they had spent thirty years protecting the Island; Jacob was looking for a successor to protect the Island. Is Widmore really a good guy? BTW, Is Jacob really a good guy?
We know fromm the trailers that Sawyer is IN this episode. That's not much off a spoiler; one of the things he said/will say might be.
Eleven Hours...
8) Jim
I think it would be cool if this is a Sawyer episode and Juliet says the 'dutch cup o coffee' line. THAT would connect the time lines...no?
LOST dinner...whatever I can find in the car on the way home from HS softball tryouts.
That would be most helpful Hammer! I hadn't even thought about that...
Our LOST dinner is leftover enchiladas, I'm hoping my hubby's softball game gets rained out so I can stay home and watch LOST in real time!
Hi, I'm in Honduras this week enjoying the warm temps. Probably won't get to watch Lost tonite- will have to try to watch it online tomorrow. I hope we do see Juliet and Sawyer in the FSW.
John Locke was to be Widmore's field commander in the war but that didn't turn out too well.
Is Widmore aware that Locke is now Flocke and is Flocke aware that Widmore was recruiting Locke?
I too think that PJ hit the nail on the head in the description of the episode. I can see Sawyer trying to con Kate into doing what Flocke wants.
I noticed that some comments were deleted last week. I ceretainly didn't mean to offend anyone by my thoughts on suicides and walkabouts.
I didn't delete anything L4E and I think I am the only one who can delete posts made by others.
You didn't upset me *g*.
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Hammer (and anyone else who did it),
I got an email from GWC saying I didn't look closely enough at the message. Did you?
Aggravating! I figured out the hidden message (or at least part of it).
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lost4ever said...
Is Widmore aware that Locke is now Flocke and is Flocke aware that Widmore was recruiting Locke
My guess to both is no.
8) Jim
my friends keep talking about how slow and small Widmore's sub must be. Maybe there's a portal that he knows about? He knows there's one to Tunisia...
I'm here! I made it! PTO meetings will not keep me from LOST and you guys. :)
Charlotte!
(Sorry, Hammer, not Juliet. Yet.)
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I'm checking in too.
Another great episode. Lots to download.
Biggest question for me - whose "side" is Widmore on. *HE* didn't say he wanted to kill FLocke, Sawyer did. Once again, I think it is about what they DIDN'T say!
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Hammer on TBI: Lapidus is here and alive to fly the plane.
Good point!
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Maybe Sawyer is just conning everyone-Widmore, Flocke, AND Kate.
Can I just say, the stunt woman who was "Kate" running from the cops was NOT a good body-double at ALL. Even though Kate was the most likely "suspect" I didn't think it could be her from the size and shape of her.
But... it brings to mind - Sawyer is a COP in the flash sideways. He SAW Kate's handcuffs and just smirked at her and let her GO?!
That has to mean something, right?
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Maybe Sawyer is just conning everyone-Widmore, Flocke, AND Kate.
When Sawyer came back and spilled the beans to FLocke about Widmore, I said to dh "con and re-con." Hammer was right - the title meant BOTH things.
I want to believe he will NOT con Kate.
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Sawyer is a COP in the flash sideways. He SAW Kate's handcuffs and just smirked at her and let her GO?!
In the elevator at the airport, I mean.
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I am in San Antonio on vacation and still managed to make sure I watched it. Don't have much to say about the episode but just a little about Locke.
I feel like I loved Locke so much in all the seasons that the fact he is MIB has not made me change my feelings about him. I am rooting for him and really want him to get off that island and I am on "his" side.
Sorry but I only met Jacob in one episode and about a minute of other air times, and I just still see Locke as Locke and I absolutely love him!
I also have no respect for Charles so i hope Smokey kicks his butt!
Wow...glad I got that off my chest:)
Nothing wrong with rooting for the 'bad guy'. Happens all the time in stories.
On TBI: What's locked-up on the sub?
My reply:
hmmm...
Aaron
Desmond
Penny
Charlie
Walt
some mythological thing that can kill MIB
Wallace
the "boy" from the jungle
Jacob in some other form
Boone*
Shannon*
Eko*
Ana Lucia*
Libby*
Charlie*
Juliet*
Charlotte*
Daniel*
Michael*
Rose and Bernard
Vincent
* all of these people may have survived in the FSW and if the two timelines CAN merge, any one of them can show up again
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Another mirror scene....
You forgot Cooper PJ.
Good question just texted to me by a friend: Are all of the FSW's in the same time line? As I prepared to respond I realized that I could not say absolutely, "yes". I keep thinking about the train car/train track analogy someone (I think PJ? Or maybe CM?) used a long time ago to explain the alternate timelines. Perhaps trains are on different tracks but cross at some point....
Although not absolute...I believe it's safe to say yes...the FSW is one time(same) time line.
The Little House line that stuck out huge to me..."even though people die, they aren't gone".....whispers....Charlie said something similar to Hugo.
Something smells.
First they have to get the Ajira aircraft turned around. Then they have to get it started. I thought that required an external power source. Then they have to take off on a runway that wasn't long enough to land on.
Flocke lies.
8) Jim
Kate was originally a fugitive when she left Sydney and was still one when the plane didn't crash and landed in LAX. Her story line didn't change. Neither did Clare's, really. Still preggers and following through w/ her intial plan. Charlie too. BUT--Hurley, Jack, Locke, and Sayid had to have been very different people before leaving Sydney....Jack has a kid, Hurley is happy about winning the lottery, Locke is getting married, Sayid has Nadia. What is the significance of this? Why do some people have totally different lives while others remain the same as we have known them to be?
Though you are voice or realism Jim...I'll go on record as predicting that someone(Frank) flies that bird.
Different but the same Miss Kim. Sawyer is still on a mission to kill Cooper. Jack is still trying to reconcile his bad relationship with his dad. Locke is still trying to find himself. Hugo, well we haven't had a centric epi yet.
So, from what we've seen in these FSWs, either the people in them have changed for the better (redemption?), or they're still reverting back to their old lives, what we have known from seasons 1-5. Maybe an indicator of which side they choose, good or evil?
But why were the circumstances of their lives changed BEFORE they returned from Sydney? Why does Jack have a son and Sawyer is a detective and Sayid gets to still have Nadia alive but Kate, Clare, and Charlie's circumstances are the same as they always were. I get that everyone still has their own cross to bear whether or not the plane crashes but I don't understand why some people get different lives....
Anyone think that the code word "La Fleur" is a hint that the two time lines are indeed merging...
Maybe an indicator of which side they choose, good or evil?
Maybe, Lindsey.
For me, the only thing that 'bugs' me about the FSW is Jack having a child.
I think it's because since OA815 never crashed, there was never any frozen donkey wheel turning in 2004 which meant no flashing in time to the 70's and all those other times where they met people from the past...not sure if that makes sense...
I wanna know who Jack's "baby mommy" is. Who is David Shephard's mother?????
Juliet! David's mom and Sawyer's coffee dutch date.
Also-Dogen and his son don't belong in Jack's world. He belongs in Osaka. This implies to me that his life circumstances are very different as well.
I feel like we are so close to solving this crazy puzzle. So near...but yet so far!!!
I think it's because since OA815 never crashed, there was never any frozen donkey wheel turning in 2004 which meant no flashing in time to the 70's and all those other times where they met people from the past...not sure if that makes sense...
Well, except that if they didn't flash to 1977, then they didn't *change* anything, which means that they would have crashed in 2004.
And the loop continues...
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Maybe, Hammer. There's a reason we haven't seen her yet. I think that when we do are jaws are gonna drop.
(Can't wait!!!!)
Oh wow:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDgbKJWDxcE&feature=player_embedded
Nothing spoilerish *g*
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Bedtime for Bonzo:
Is Claire's 'infection' clearing up or was Flocke's talk a threat?
Sayid's 'infection' is in full force.
Sweet dreams y'all.
Good morning, all!
about "why are the FSW different for some and not all."
Kate IS still a fugitive, but as I learned at the ComicCon panel, she did not kill Wayne. They showed an America's Most Wanted video that revealed she started the fire at Wayne's work and it killed an employee. (here is the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z4T-G1SEIg)
So still the same motive, but maybe she wasn't turned in by her mother? I don't know.
Also, regarding Jack's son...we don't know for CERTAIN that he doesn't have a son in the island-time line. (I'm guessing he doesn't, but we can't be sure.) David's cell phone number has an Ann Arbor, MI area code. (That's what LOSTpedia says, but I never saw the number on the show.) But we know he doesn't see him much; David could be living in Ann Arbor in the island-time line.
PJ, I agree about the Loop continuing. It also means that no crash in the FSW means Sayid never shot Ben.
Another interesting mystery about the FSW is why EVERYONE is in Los Angeles, City of ANGELS...
Hammer said...
Though you are voice or realism Jim...
Yeah, I gotta stop doin' that. *sigh* In reality, the fatality rate of 815 would have been near 100%, but what would we watch? *grin*
8) Jim
also, am I the only one that wants Zoe to be Annie? I had given up on her story line, but now I have a glimmer of hope.
Bacon Bits, I was yelling at the boob tube that Zoe was gonna say her name was Annie (before I realized that she was from the sub). Things were becoming obvious to me all through the show and I thought that was one of them. LOL.
PJ:Sawyer is a COP in the flash sideways. He SAW Kate's handcuffs and just smirked at her and let her GO?!
That's the first thing I thought of when they he said he was a cop. What kind of cop lets a fugitive in handcuffs stroll through LAX?
Hammer:Nothing wrong with rooting for the 'bad guy'
I think Tasha said she was rooting for Flocke , not Jacob. The "good" guy. :) I think in the end, that's what they are going to leave up to the viewer, no clear cut "good" or "bad", just matters of opinion.
someone on the other blog said that Sawyer didn't bust Kate in the elevator because that might have blown his cover about going to Australia.
Miss KimBut why were the circumstances of their lives changed BEFORE they returned from Sydney
I liked DocH's explanation on last week's thread.
Lindsay:I think it's because since OA815 never crashed, there was never any frozen donkey wheel turning in 2004
Also, did Jacob ever touch them and give them a so-called "gift"? I missed it last night but did Ford have the letter he wrote to Sawyer?
Respectfully disagree L4E. They are telling us who they think are good and evil. I agree we can choose on our own which we like better though.
Sawyer WAS a cop…for 3 years…in the 70s…for DHARMA. He had to choose back then a life of crime(running from DHARMA) or be a cop. Course corrections/connections are mounting between the two time lines.
BTW, I think Sawyer is the same kind of cop now as then (letting Kate go/not really working for the police but for himself).
Shelley: that might have blown his cover about going to Australia
That's plausible if he went to the Vic Mackey police academy.
JIG:I thought that required an external power source.
I am no expert in aviation but don't think planes have a reverse on them. Did Widmore's people kill all the Airjans seen in the pile? If so, I would have say that equals Flocke killing the remaining templetons.
He had to choose back then a life of crime
IMO, he was referring to the time after his parent's funeral. Jacob gave him the pen to write the letter that he carried around with him his whole life. Jacob chose the path for him. No Jacob, because the island sunk, means no letter.
Not sure I understand the "merging" of timelines that everyone is referring to. I don't see it happening. I see "coincidences" in both.
Yes L4E, Ford was referring to his choice after his parents event. What I am saying is that the timelines aren't all that different because he was a cop in both because he had to choose. He's not THAT different, it's just this time he is using the law to find and kill Sawyer. He's still a conman, he's conning the law.
On the LP, the picture over which I most often drool is that of Rebecca Mader:
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Rebecca_Mader
I was really sorry that Charlotte seems to have appeared and disappeared so quickly.
Someone put a "theory" on Recon's theory page that the MiB is Pigpen from the Peanuts strip because they both travel with a cloud of smoke. Preserve me!
8) Jim
1. So Sawyer has no problem piloting (?) a sub??? Can't imagine it's that easy to do unless he's planning on kidnapping someone to take control of it. Sorry I don't know submarine lingo.
2. why is Charlotte in LA in FSW? Think I missed that.
3. I think the guy that talked to Sawyer in the police station was Charlie's brother. Anyone know for sure? Not important really, but I like how they keep dropping familiar people into the FSW scenes.
2. why is Charlotte in LA in FSW? Think I missed that.
When Miles told Sawyer (sorry, James) about his blind date, Miles said that the woman worked at a museum (which made me think it was going to be Charlotte, not Juliet).
3. I think the guy that talked to Sawyer in the police station was Charlie's brother. Anyone know for sure? Not important really, but I like how they keep dropping familiar people into the FSW
Yes, it was Liam, most definitely. I got all excited that we would have another Charlie moment.
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I still feel like Jacob and MIB are supposed to be some sort of historical reference. Does MIB having a "crazy mother" ring any bells for anyone? I always felt like they were brothers, Cain and Abel or Romulus and Remus style, but I don't know enough about either of those stories to go anywhere with that theory. Anyone?
not only is Charlotte in LA, EVERYONE (from the island) seems to be in LA in the FSW.
and I thought the sub idea was weak, but at least he has recent experience (when he hijacked the dharma sub during the evacuation).
I thought it was interesting that both on island and off island in the FSW, Sawyer had to interact with people that we have seen working for Widmore.
And on a completely different note, the chick that played Zoe looked just enough like Tina Fey (IMO) that I kept getting confused about why she was being so serious! :)
And I don't know much about Romulus and Remus, but there's not a crazy mother story with Cain and Abel. One could maybe argue that perhaps since their mother and father (Adam and Eve...hmmm...) were cast out of the Garden of Eden and forced to work the land and toil and labor, etc. etc., that their children had to make a choice about how they would live their lives because of their parents' choices...but that could really apply to anyone...but there are so many cases in LOST about "parent issues" that it can make sense here too.
Lockes mother was crazy too. Not just Flocks.
Could Libby be Davids mother?
Pierre Chang works at the museum with Charlotte. Miles said she worked with his father.
Romulus and Remus mother was Rhea Silvia and was also know as Ilia. Her twins were taken away from her while still babies.
Their father was Mars, the war god and Mars had a brother Vulcan the god of beneficial and hindering fire,they also had a sister, minerva.
Could Libby be Davids mother?
Oooh.
And given that there is a chance that Libby is a Widmore, that would make David a Widmore!
Oooh. Yeah.
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flgrl said...
I still feel like Jacob and MIB are supposed to be some sort of historical reference.
There's a lot of feeling on the LP for MiB to be the Biblical Jacob's brother Esau. The was a recent post about the Biblical Esau's mother, Rebecca, being crazy, but I can't find it. However, Rebecca loved Jacob more than Esau; it was the other way around with dad (Isaac). Does Esau/MiB take his mother's love for his brother as insanity?
Details: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebecca
8) Jim
Jim-the first thing I did during the commercial break after Flocke said his mother was crazy was to check out Jaacob/Esau/Rebecca info. I didn't come across anything at all to indicate that Rebeccca was crazy, but as you pointed out, she preffered Jacob over Esau.
I have been mulling around the idea of alternate timelines and why some people's circumstances have seemingly changed. I tried to go back and look for Doc's theory as L4E mentioned but I think it may have been deleted by the author.
It was pointed out to me today by a friend that perhaps the circumstances regarding Kate, Clare, and Charlie WERE different but we just haven't seen that part yet. For example, maybe Kate was a fugitive but it was for a different crime, or Clare was giving up her Bay-bee because her husband died...whatever...
I am trying really hard not to make "lists" of my own regarding "good" and "bad" and "better off" or "worse off" because of island alliances and "life circumstances". I think that course correction will always occur and you can't escape destiny. I really feel that this is true with Jacob and Flocke. I am inclined to agree that perhaps there is no good or bad--simply two sides--dark and light.
I have been reading up on Backgammon. I have only played a few times and only with lots of help. Wow. Lots-o-rules! I tried to find a correlation between how Keamy shooting Alex would change the rules and a variable/changeable Backgammon rule. Of course, I found nothing...it was kind of confusing to me. There was a Jacoby rule and I found the name to be interesting.
My final thoughts: I think we're going to go back a lot further--to the very beginning of Jacob and Flocke and the Island--and if the Losties are around for it, it may explain the alternate timelines much better as well as giving us a clear understanding of the Jacob/Flocke relationship. Maybe the island going underwater is when destiny can finally changed.
(Yes, I know. I have just contradicted myself. Sigh. :) )
(Yes, I know. I have just contradicted myself. Sigh. :) )
This is why I love you guys. You are just as passionate and crazy confused as I am! LOL
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this is a nice Jacob/Esau link; a different version of the traditional story.
http://searchwarp.com/swa415109.htm
Whether or not she favored Jacob, I think she was just trying to go along with the prophecy that the elder would serve the younger. I saw somewhere that she believed she was to blame for Jacob deceiving his father and that was her "curse."
So maybe she believed herself to be cursed, and I can see that being similar to crazy.
I'm a big backgammon fan. The pieces aren't always black and white, but light and dark. There is no advantage to either color. Backgammon is kind of like blackjack. There are definite moves you should make given the numbers (on the dice), and not doing so is a huge risk, but in the end, it's still up to the dice/chance. It's ultimately a dice race where you are going one direction and your opponent is going the opposite direction. Any moves you make offensively put you at risk.
I can see some LOST correlation, but not necessarily more so than with any other game.
Locke said in the toy store that his favorite game is mouse trap. We've also seen Risk a couple of times.
Changing the subject, I think it's possible (maybe not likely) that Jack could have a son in the current island-time line and just not know about him.
What if David is on Widmore's sub?
L O S T
...kidding....kinda...
The thing with Jacob/Esau is that the writers are using them as similar references, not exact. Just like the rest of their references. I don't think MIB's name is Easu and I don't think they are the real Jacob/Esau so Rebbekah doesn't need to be 'crazy' in the bible story.
I do think we are to speculate that they are brothers, maybe even twins and that one is favored(Jacob) and the other has issues based on this.
I agree; I would actually be let down if they were simply retelling a biblical story.
I do think they may be brothers though. And a missing Jacob could make for a crazy mom.
I think that the FSW is going to be a result of what's about to go down on the island; it could be a do-over in the same time line. It's also an easy way to let us know how they're futures will play out after the show.
BUT there IS a part of me that wants the story lines to merge...just for dramatic effect...and yes, the island is gone in the FSW, but there's always time travel!
AAACKK!!! THEIR!!! pardon my THEY'RE!!!
Hammer said...
I don't think MIB's name is Easu...
Well spoken -- er, written. "Jacob-and-Esau-relationship-like" (Huh?)
If MiB is as old (old enough to watch a large sailing ship in action), then mom is dead and gone unless he -- and Jacob -- come from an extremely long-lived race.
There are suggestion on the LP that MiB is talking about Locke's mother Emily, but most (including me) reject that as confusion over who's talking. There's also a suggestion that MiB's story is pure sympathy play to Kate; that one is a little more believable. MiB is a con artist so good as to make Sawyer seem like a rank amateur.
8) Jim
the "After Life" video on this page is very LOSTesque. It's the 6th one down and only a couple of minutes long.
http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/top-10-egypt-discoveries/
It says the Egyptians believed they could be in 2 places at once (in the after life I believe) and some other cool ideas.
BUT there IS a part of me that wants the story lines to merge...just for dramatic effect...and yes, the island is gone in the FSW, but there's always time travel!
The island is underwater on September 22nd 2004-2. That doesn't mean that the island is STILL underwater in 2007-2. The timelines COULD merge. Circus Mom's suggestion that what happens in the revised 2004 still brings them to the 2007 we are seeing NOW could still work.
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agreed.
Anybody watch FlashForward yet?
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H A M M E R !
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Happy Birthday Hammer!! Hope you have a great day! Any big birthday plans?
Happy Birthday, Hammer!
I've watched FlashForward. Liked the first few eps, the next couple were kind of slow so I quit watching. But then I caught up online, and really enjoyed the last few eps. It's gonna take several interesting shows like this to fill my LOST void one day, so I'm latching on to this one. Especially since I don't have cable!
(I catch plenty of things online though since I have down time at work.)
Happy Birthday Hammer!
Started to watch FF but fell asleep. Will try again tonight.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY HAMMER!! (Hope it was a good one!)
I watched FF last night - pretty good. Not LOST, but pretty good anyway. :)
Happy birthday, Hammer!
Yes, FlashForward was great. Simon is turning out to be quite "interesting."
Ouch!
8) Jim
Happy Birthday Hammer! People born in March really are the best.:)
Happy Birthday Hammer!
Thanks everyone...no bigs plans. Was named asst. Jv softball coach so had to meet to finalize teams. Got a new back flip motorola phone so I don't have to wait for mrs. Hammer to use internet!
Thanks everyone...no bigs plans. Was named asst. Jv softball coach so had to meet to finalize teams. Got a new back flip motorola phone so I don't have to wait for mrs. Hammer to use internet!
This week's Ack Attack is up:
http://www.theackattack.net/?p=1486
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Flocke and Widmore have to be on opposite sides because Widmore is having that portable sonic fence built, yes?
Something broke? Some of the Others used to camp in the woods and Smokey didn't seem to bother them. Was he constrained somehow? Were Others exempt from his tender mercies while it was open season on people like the French? Even during the DHARMA days, construction of the Swan would never have gotten started if Smokey wanted to and could intervene.
8) Jim
I don't know Jim. Since we smokey is/was mib...maybe people could get by without his interfernce for periods of time. Maybe he spent long periods of time as a person in the cave...plotting and planning and not patrolling?
The name of the last episode of the season / series is
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