This week's episode title is a bit of enigma. It cannot be directly related to anything (other than thousands of LOST websites devoted to figuring it out). Not wanting to spend thousands of hours to read what OTHER people figured out, I tried to think like D&C do... literarily.
I went to Amazon and put This Place is Death in quotation marks hoping against hope that perhaps there was a book out there somewhere with the same title. While I didn't find a book with that title, I did find MANY with SIMILAR quotes in it. Only ONE had the actual quote, and given the author, I expect it may be likely that this is the jackpot.
Here is the Amazon Editorial Review of Stephen King's The Gunslinger:
King writes both a new introduction and foreword to this revised edition, and the ever-patient, ever-loyal "constant reader" is rewarded with secrets to the series's inception. That a "magic" ream of green paper and a Robert Browning poem, came together to reveal to King his "ka" is no real surprise (this is King after all), but who would have thought that the squinty-eyed trio of Clint Eastwood, Lee Van Cleef, and Eli Wallach would set the author on his true path to the Tower? While King credits Tolkien for inspiring the "quest and magic" that pervades the series, it was Sergio Leone's The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly that helped create the epic proportions and "almost absurdly majestic western backdrop" of Roland's world.
To King, The Gunslinger demanded revision because once the series was complete it became obvious that "the beginning was out of sync with the ending." While the revision adds only 35 pages, Dark Tower purists will notice the changes to Allie's fate and Roland's interaction with Cort, Jake, and the Man in Black--all stellar scenes that will reignite the hunger for the rest of the series. Newcomers will appreciate the details and insight into Roland's life. The revised Roland of Gilead (nee Deschain) is embodied with more humanity--he loves, he pities, he regrets. What DT fans might miss is the same ambiguity and mystery of the original that gave the original its pulpy underground feel (back when King himself awaited word from Roland's world).
Has anyone read it? Can we relate anything our LOSTies are encountering to this novel? Or am I on the wrong track completely? Only a few more hours until we find out!
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Good morning little islanders! IT'S WEDNESDAY!!!!!
PJ I laughed when I read your commentary that title to tonight's episode didn't seem to relate to anything specific, while all this time I thought it was super obvious! You are probably right, and I am barking up the wrong tree, but I just thought it would be a play on both the island - being a place of death for Rousseau and company, and the "real world" - being a place of death for THEM if they don't go back. Not very creative, I know, but it's all I've got!
Can't WAIT for the episode tonight!!
We know that Locke avoided the hatch so he wouldn't run into himself so when the losties time travel there can be two of them at once in the past. If they were in the Zodiac and traveled back just a few hours the Zodiak would go with them and they would find the Zodiac already there, because it was there before. If there can, temporarly, be two Lockes and two Zodiacs then can there be two islands.
On the first jump we saw Yemi's plane crash. I assume the island moved in time and space and appeared below Yemi's plane without warning, causing the crash. This could also expaein how the Black Rock ended up on the island. It appeared under the ship stranding it in the middle of the island. So......
Real island time is 12-30-04
O6 time is sometime in 07 (three years later)
If the O6 travel to where the island was in 2004(their time, 07) and sit in the ocean where the island was before it moved, then the island travels to 2003 it should re-apear in that spot. If the O6 are in the radius of the island will they (the O6 in 2007) jump to the time the island in in like the other losties, therefore reuniting them? All our losties would then be time traveling together but the O6 would be 3 years older than the island bound losties.
My guess is the island will be jumping to that spot in 70 hours.
Does that help PJ.
Yes, CM, that helps! I understand. I am not sure I am ready to jump on your ship yet, but I know where it is sailing! LOL
I suspect that not wanting our LOSTies to encounter their own selves is another reason why D&C kept the characters separated into groups throughout the run. In fact, put on your thinking caps, everyone... have we EVER seen ALL of our LOSTies in one place at the same time? Even at Boone's funeral, Locke was missing.
hmmm.
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LOL Rita,
Yes, I realize the obvious meaning of the title! But knowing D&C, there is so much more to it than that!
I am SO ready for tonight's episode!
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I have read The Gunslinger, it is book one of the seven book Dark Tower series (which D&C have already said Stephen KIng has heavily influenced alot of their thinking and vice versa)...the wstory as a whole is about the gunslingers quest to find the Dark Tower and the story is filled with time travel (in a way) and alternate dimensions and characters who's destinies are linked...it's really an amazing story but definitely an investments as i think all told there are close to 4000 pages...
the Gunslinger is the first book and a short one but it is all about the Gunslinger pursuing 'the man in black; thru the desert and the unwilling sacrifice of a boy named Jake to achieve his goal of catching 'the man in black'
haha, does this help at all?? ;)
...but in this case, the title probably just means that someone will 'die' in this episode, haha...
i am so STOKED that it's Wednesday...;)
also, since we are kind of on the topic of books, if you like to read i HIGHLY recommend reading Slaughterhouse 5 by Kurt Vaunnegut( a book about TD and time travel of the consciousness) and the Time Traveler's Wife by Audrey Niffenegger (a book with some very interesting views on the idea of time travel)
both books are great stories, and are based more on the human experience of time travel, so they don't fry your brain with all the science of it...;)
PJSander said...
LOL Rita,
Yes, I realize the obvious meaning of the title! But knowing D&C, there is so much more to it than that!
I am SO ready for tonight's episode!
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Thanks PJ! I just meant that I am so UNCREATIVE that I didn't even think beyond the obvious - while you were clever enough to take it to the next level. :) That's what I LOVE about coming here - when my brain refuses to engage, someone else comes up with something I never would have thought of - so thanks to all of you!
I have not read the Gunslinger but good research PJ and ty for the recap Esbola. ( Hilarious Docola )
I tend to agree with Rita, and I hope the whole island time is about Rousseau and her mates. The last couple shows are beginning to remind me of Quantam Leap and the Land of the Lost ( I think that is what happened at the end of Land of the Lost, but vaguely remember ).
I have read that tonight's episode was originally supposed to air next week and next week's was originally supposed to air tonight. Not sure if this is true or not.
I am hoping if their is more French speaking tonight, they at least include subtitles. They had it when Jin and Sun had their back stories so many years ago. Those were painful for me.
Hey PJ, how many more times do you think you'll have to explain the time experience for the skippers on TBI before it sticks?
LOL
Geez!!!
I posted this on TBI in the TLP thread...wondering what you guys think:
I think folks are missing the point about what Dan and Hawking said regarding you can't change the past/future. You CAN change the past/future (see Desmond saving Charlie over and over), but it WILL be course corrected. That's what they mean by can't. Also D & C stated that they weren't go to allow for several time lines. In other words, you can't change the outcome of the future and have multiple futures. I don't think they wanted us to get hung up on CAN'T as though it's impossible, just that it won't matter if you do.
...you can try to change anything you want to but the end result will be the same...
...you can try to change anything you want to but the end result will be the same...
Which brings us back to the "Rules" and "Special" people.
L4E: I am hoping if their is more French speaking tonight, they at least include subtitles. They had it when Jin and Sun had their back stories so many years ago. Those were painful for me.
yeah, i didn't understand why they didn't have subtitles...i wonder if there was a reason show-wise for that?
kind of on the subject, do you guys remember the episode where people were talking to Jin and to show us, the viewers, what it would be like to not understand anyone, they made everything the characters said to Jin sound like jibberish? it only happened for part of a scene, but put that with the missing subtitles, and they definitely seem to have a language thing going with Jin...poor dude...he finally learns english well enough to commincate and now he's stuck with a bunch of french people...;)
Hammer said: Hey PJ, how many more times do you think you'll have to explain the time experience for the skippers on TBI before it sticks?
Actually, I considered NOT reposting my theory, but realized that the current thread seemed to involved new people (or perhaps old people with new handles).
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Hammer said: I think folks are missing the point about what Dan and Hawking said regarding you can't change the past/future. You CAN change the past/future (see Desmond saving Charlie over and over), but it WILL be course corrected. That's what they mean by can't. Also D & C stated that they weren't go to allow for several time lines. In other words, you can't change the outcome of the future and have multiple futures. I don't think they wanted us to get hung up on CAN'T as though it's impossible, just that it won't matter if you do.
I concur. I would have backed you up if I had read that, Hammer. Sorry!
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Why thanks Peanutbutter & Jelly, I put that post there today, but again, the 'recently commented' section doesn't work anymore, so you have actively look at old threads to find new posts.
I asked the folks at TBI a couple times about it, but they kind of blow me off.
ESB:Jin...poor dude...he finally learns english well enough to commincate and now he's stuck with a bunch of french people...;)
Hilarious!
alright everybody...enjoy tonights episode (like you wouldn't or something;) and i'll check in with ya all tomorrow...
Bad Robot!
Okay, since the titles are usually dual in meaning, I'm going to assume that you found the literary meaning. My guess is that it is also a big hint towards the..........yep, you guessed it........the whisperers. This place (island) is death. Not in the scary 'you are gonna die' sense, but the souls are roaming around sense.
Sun knows Jin is alive!
Jin found the rest of the LOSTies!
We saw how Montand lost his arm!
Is *that* the temple where the Others were supposed to go? I thought Montand lost his arm near the Black Rock?
So far so wonderful!
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Whoa, since when does Smokey make people act weird. He was gonna kill Danielle!
Hammer said...
Whoa, since when does Smokey make people act weird. He was gonna kill Danielle!
And the gun misfired, just like Danielle told Sayid it did, back in the first season! Wow, this is cool!
People must be baffled by the info. It's awful quiet on TBI.
We really got quite a few answers in this episode. We know that Charlotte DID live on the island as a child. We know that Ji Yeon is alive and well and age-appropriately developed. We know that (probably) Mrs. Hawking is Daniel's mother. We know that Jin knows Sun is alive and vice versa.
One thing though... as a mother, I find it VERY hard to believe that Sun would leave Ji Yeon to go off on a wild goose chase to find her husband, whom she had reconciled as dead three years earlier.
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Hammer said: Whoa, since when does Smokey make people act weird. He was gonna kill Danielle!
It might not have been smokey. It may be that they saw what smokey was protecting under the temple.
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Maybe PJ. Just really confused on why her hubby decided to kill Danielle. Just odd.
Hammer: People must be baffled by the info. It's awful quiet on TBI.
Maybe that Life on Mars is a good show. They do have a good cast.
What the heck is Life on Mars. LOL
How can you watch a show immediately afer lost? DVR only!!!
did anyone else think ben acted weird when des mentioned mrs. hawking as dan's mom?
TXYorkFamily said...
did anyone else think ben acted weird when des mentioned mrs. hawking as dan's mom?
February 11, 2009 10:50 PM
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Yep, seemed like he just learned something he could use. Widmore was funding Dan, and now he just learned about his mom?
DocH, you mentioned Char's gold?
She mentioned chocolate before dinner...anyone remember Apollo bars?
I also picked up that she said:
Why can't Annie go with us?
I know more about ancient culture than ???? himself.
Turn it up...I love...?????
I think Charlotte said she knew more about Cartha than Hannibal himself.
HTH,
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I need to learn to check my work before I cut and paste to TBI. It should say that Charlotte knew more about Carthage than Hannibal himself.
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Something I didn't know is that the ancient city of Carthage is now in... you guess it, Tunisia!
dun dun dun
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Yeah that does help...changes my thinking, but it's still cool.
Good point Doc.
Jimmy Kimmel's LOST secrets revealed are very funny tonight.
Just one thought before I'm off to work -
In response to the whole "can you change anything in the past" thing:
Danielle was GOING to go into the hole with her friends, to look for Montand. JIN STOPPED HER FROM GOING IN. Therefore, she never saw what they saw, whatever it was that made her think they were "sick". My point? That Jin didn't change the past, HE HAD ALWAYS BEEN THERE at that point - to stop Danielle from going in.
OK, off to work!
I see your point Rita, but I'm not ready to believe that time is just in a big circle repeating itself. I think the time skipping Losties only JUST happened.
I considered your thought myself, Rita, but upon reconsideration, I came back to the "course correction" idea. In other words, if Jin hadn't stopped her, SOMETHING would have.
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So, I'll say it out loud. Annie is Charlotts older sister? Probably left behind when they left eht island. She could be a other, we have only assumed she isn't, or she could have died in the purge. I guess she could have left the island and not been allowed to go to the zoo.
I think Annie and Charlotte being sisters makes sense. However, if we are to believe Ben's biography of Charlotte, she was the eldest of three, which would mean that Annie is younger and since Annie and Ben were the same age...
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Man oh man PJ. I'm really burning up brain cells thinking about your Dan/Char scenario. It makes sense because if they travel to DHARMA times, Dan is going too.
But here a possible de-bunk. It seemed more like her memory was provoked more than having one of those 'goofy' flashback blurts. Get me? Her blurts were from when her concious was traveling, but she told Dan that she 'remembered' the conversation.
PJ: However, if we are to believe Ben's biography of Charlotte
Can we honestly now think Ben has ever told the truth about anything. He lies and manipulates EVERY situation to benefit his goals. I am not really sure if I believe his biography of Charlotte.
L4E said: Can we honestly now think Ben has ever told the truth about anything. He lies and manipulates EVERY situation to benefit his goals. I am not really sure if I believe his biography of Charlotte.
I agree. Charlotte looked shocked when he spouted off her vitals. I always thought it was odd that she never responded. At one time I thought it might be because what he was confirming what was purporting, and that the shock was that he was perpetuating her falsehoods rather than exposing her.
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alright, just finished reading your posts..good stuff people...;)
so i thought, ONCE AGAIN, that last nights episode was AWESOME...this season is hitting them out of the park every week it seems...
i for one am bummed that Charlotte died...but i'm willing to admit that might be mostly because i liked looking at her, haha...
LOVED the scene between Danielle and her baby-daddy (husband? and his name escapes me right now)...creepy, tense and shocking...and i love that Danielle didn't just go crazy and flat out murder everyone...they actually did have the SICKNESS...at least baby-daddy did...and WHAT is the SICKNESS?? no one else we know of on the island seems to have gone evil-homicidal, have they?
Sayid saying 'if i see either of you two again, it will be extremely uncomfortable (?) for all of us'...priceless!
and Ben's breakdown in the van about how they should thank him for all the work he's done...priceless?
1-last nights episode drove home, for me, my point that Ben should've waited until after Kate was on the island before telling her he was behind the lawyer...Kate would've been way more likely to go if she thought the threat to steal Aaron was real and valid...bad move on ben's part IMO...
2-if Locke ends up in Tunisia, how in the heck is he supposed to get to LA? i mean Ben had passsports, aliases and MONEY, what does Locke have?
3-Charlotte's ranting and apparent freefall mentally thru time was super spooky...can't wait to re-watch this episode...
okay, done for now...sorry so long...;)
Bad Robot!
haha, i'm not saying that i believed him...i just thought it was a great moment...i was half expecting Sun to shoot him right there...;)
I enjoyed that scene too. Especially when Jack said, (paraphrasing) "After what he did to Kate, I will kill him for you."
Did Jack FORGET that it was BEN who was driving? And if he REALLY felt that angry about how Kate was treated, why is he in the car with Ben instead of chasing after Kate?
LOL
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yeah PJ...unfortunately recovering-drug-addict-boozehound-Jack isn't quite as studly, sharp-thinking and heroic as on-the-island-Jack was...hopefully when he's been sober longer and is back on the island, we'll see the old Jack again...;)
hey a question for you guys...where did the Charlotte is Annie's sister theory come from? even tho the age might not quite match up, i think it would be more likely that she's Annie's daughter, if she has anything to do with Annie at all...i'm confused..
I didn't buy into that one either ESB. I am curious to see who her dad is though.
Does everyone here assume that Char's mentioning that she saw Dan in the past mean that it HAS NOT happened yet?
I am hanging on for dear theoretical life that it was a hint that he ALREADY traveled and she died from course correction.
I am hoping that because it a memory and not a side effect blurt, that it is the latter.
I agree with you, Hammer. That is why I said it kind of wrecks my encyclopedia theory. For those not on TBI:
Well my newest thought does put a kink in the encyclopedia analogy, but here it is…
At some point, there will be a jump (either a flash, or purposefully) that will take Daniel (and perhaps the other) to the 70’s - the DHARMA days. We’ve already seen that Daniel was there (but in the mixed up time of the storytelling of LOST, we don’t know where in the chronology of the storytelling, he actually went there).
So I think we will see this jump, which “to us” will happen AFTER Charlotte dies. We will see Faraday IN HIS PRESENT BODY visit little Charlotte and tell her NEVER to come back to the island. He is TRYING to change the future by changing the past. (Clearly, he will have been unsuccessful.)
As I said, the fact that before she died, Charlotte had a memory of an incident that has not yet taken place, throws the encyclopedia and photoshop analogies out the window.
Perhaps Daniel is the reason they LEFT the island in the first place (because he knows about the purge and warns them about that). That really shores up your theory that Charlotte's dying "now" is course correction.
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Wait, now that I re-read your comment, Hammer, I guess that I do not agree with you! LOL.
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Yeah...you don't. :)
Help me understand how it is that Char is having a memory that hasn't happened yet? Everything else seems to be that people don't remember things because they haven't happened yet pertaining to the flashes, but now we are to believe that she had memory of something that hasn't happened yet?
Oh and just to TRY to justify Dan not remembering it IF he had already traveled and told her...remember his 'caretaker' flashback. He's had memory issues his whole existence on the show, he refers to his notes often because of it.
Okay, so you are saying that he has already traveled back in time and warned her and he just doesn't remember it?
I can buy that. Especially because it supports my encyclopedia theory! LOL.
So perhaps the Daniel of the 70's that we saw in S5E1 was when it happened, we just didn't get to see it?
Hmmm.
Okay!
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PJ, that's what I'm hoping for, because the other theories I am hearing on TBI just don't make sense to me.
I just took some events as clues that Dan has done some traveling before. I think that he thought he could get Des to get his mom and help them before Char died, but course correction happened because she was supposed to die in the purge.
This makes me think that Dan didn't know that Ben was going to turn the wheel. He looked at his notes, realized he could talk to Des (maybe because of the constant thing) and hoped he could save her.
Thanks PJ for the TBI support!
Doc, that was the character names. I think it was either in the movie or one of the episodes where did was giving people alias names and only added o to the end, that was the joke. :)
I digress.
Nice thought about Char's experience. Could explain things.
I had always wondered why Charlotte was even there - she really didn't contribute anything, with all her anthropology training, we never saw her use it except for Tunesia. Now we know she was there before, and if everyone is right that the LOSTies are headed for Dharma-land, it makes sense for her to die now, so she won't confront her younger self.
Here's an off-the-wall thought:
For those who have seen the comic-con video where Dr. Chang is speaking to the future someone, to tell that he knew he would die in the purge - now that we know that Charlotte grew up on the island, it might be likely that the baby was NOT Miles, but was Charlotte, that SHE was Chang's baby (adopted?) and that he got her off of the island before the purge. Therefore, like the O6, the mother lives a lie, and lies even to her daughter, to protect them both from the powers that are out to get them. Just a thought, not an opinion yet.
I think you may have gotten it Rita. With all the talk about Ben and Annie and even the maybe the Goodspeed's, I forgot about Chang. We saw the baby in the opening scene this year.
While this may not be Miles, it is definitely NOT Charlotte:
http://tinyurl.com/babychang
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Remind me why 'we' think the baby isn't Miles.
He's Asian, he's with our favorite video star, the age is good, the powers, the hints from Dan that he's been there before...I just don't even consider anyone else right now. Just waiting for his backstory to confirm it. :)
I think the baby could be Miles. That is definitely the path D&C WANT us to take, anyway!
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But as someone on the big island pointed out, Charlotte DOES speak korean - which backs up my idea that she is Chang's baby. Maybe what we are assuming incorrectly is that is was actually Chang who left the room. We never saw his face, just his back. Could have been someone else
I looked at the screen cap baby PJ, not sure it proves much. The baby isn't definitely Asian, or male/female.
The baby isn't definitively Asian, no. Nor is the baby definitively gendered. However, Charlotte would NOT have been born with olive toned skin and dark hair. She would have been china-doll white with blonde or red (or possibly no) hair. I know that some babies are born with dark hair which all falls out and is replaced with their natural hair color, but the baby in that screenshot is NOT a newborn. I would say that baby is four to six months old.
JMO,
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Okay... I want to have a party - but - I want it to end 1 second after it starts.
Q: Who do I invite?
A: Bobola (#402) I still think Bobo and Duke are the same blogger.
--DocH
ROFLOL, DocH.
Duke and Bobola are at it again, so either he (being both) wants attention, or they both like to engage in pi$$in@ matches!
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PJ:
I think the baby could be Miles. That is definitely the path D&C WANT us to take, anyway!
I am having a hard time believing that you, PJ, think that Miles is Chang's baby. YOU keep my eyes open to all the conspiracy possibilities about other story lines, but yet, you are taking the easy way out on this one.
Don't you still believe that Eloise Hawking is NOT Faraday's mother? YOU are always so ANTI-easy TOO-EASY. You make my mind wander. I love it. Think deeper PJ, as you always do, on that one too.:)
I am done with TBI for this week, I just wanted to show my name before April first. Plus, I wasn't workng last night. IMO, The best thoughts come from TLI.
As the GREAT Dennis Miller use to say, That's JMO, but I could be wrong.
Sorry PJ. Grammer ( ? ) error. I LOVE IT should have been in CAPS also.:)
DocH:
Bobola (#402) I still think Bobo and Duke are the same blogger.
REALLY? I was thinking U2 might be related DocH? [:^)
I never said TY for that symbol Doc, but it works when you mean it. [:>) Yours is much better!
lost4ever said...
I am having a hard time believing that you, PJ, think that Miles is Chang's baby. YOU keep my eyes open to all the conspiracy possibilities about other story lines...
Don't you still believe that Eloise Hawking is NOT Faraday's mother? YOU are always so ANTI-easy TOO-EASY. You make my mind wander. I love it. Think deeper PJ, as you always do, on that one too.:)
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He/she's right PJ, you DO have that rep and we all love you for it! You make us all look at EVERYTHING deeper - and we find wonderful things there. Thanks!
In PJ's defense. I don't shesaid that the baby IS Miles. Just that it isn't Charlotte. She said 'could be' Miles.
I am the one that is choosing to believe the obvious choice on this one. SOMETIMES on Lost, things are obvious...like Aaron being an O6 er. Man oh man, remember the debate on that one?! LOL
Yes, you are right Hammer! And for the record, I'm not going out on a limb saying that Charlotte IS the baby either, just that she MIGHT be - but it is most likely the obvious choice this time - probably Miles. We should know soon!
Yeah Rita, it just seems to me that the wrapped up the Char story except they we will see her again as a child. Dan's story is still unfolding, but they really haven't done much with Miles. Since they haven't killed him, he's got a story for us. Add to it that Dan asked him if he was sure he never on the island before, and viola...video baby. :)
Hammer said: In PJ's defense. I don't shesaid that the baby IS Miles. Just that it isn't Charlotte. She said 'could be' Miles.
Thanks, Hammer.
Just as we are being led to believe that Mrs. Hawking is Daniel's mother, so are we being led (albeit less strenuously) to believe that Miles is Chang's baby.
So while I am not ready to say that Miles is Chang's baby, I AM ready to say definitively that Charlotte is not.
http://tinyurl.com/changbaby2
If D&C want us to swallow that THIS baby is Charlotte, I will lose some of the tremendous faith I have in them!
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You're right PJ, you've made a believer of me. That picture is a baby Miles, not Charlotte. Thanks for setting me straight!! :)
Hammer, I'm not entirely sure they have wrapped up Charlotte's story. Maybe as far as THIS actress is concerned, but she was the one who mentioned not remembering her mother's maiden name, and then brought up the whole "raised on the island" thing - which must lead to us seeing her there as a child, maybe even OFF island at some point. Maybe just a bit more of Charlotte's story.
Rita, I said that....
....it just seems to me that the wrapped up the Char story except they we will see her again as a child.
So I agree. :)
If Bobola and duke are the same. I think he/they infiltrated the small island and her about our April plan.
Staging a mock fight?
i totally agree with Rita...i don't think Charlotte's story is anywhere near being wrapped up...if it is then there was absolutely no reason to even have her character in the first place...except maybe to show us the polar bear skeleton in Tunisia...hmmm...;)
sheesh, there are some people on TBI that just don't know how to play well with others...;)
You are right about TBI, ESB.
Don't everyone get hung up on my comment about her story being wrapped up. I was just trying to point out that they haven't gotten to Miles yet and I think the clues are leading us there.
We will find out more about Char, she's just 'wrapping up' IMO.
HaHa! No problem Hammer! I want more of EVERYONE'S story - I keep thinking about when Juliette told Sayid that if she were to tell EVERYTHING she knew about the Others, Sayid would have to kill her. Why? What does she know? Clearly more than we have been told yet. I definitely want to know more about Rousseau, and Miles, Dr. Chang/Halliwax/Wickman/Candle, the Goodspeeds, Zach and Emma, Cindy, Daniel, and Eloise! I don't want ANYONE'S story to "wrap up" - it won't be enough, I want MORE!!!
(I think I'd better go look for an LAA meeting quick!)
I've been thinking about our April Fool's joke. Since the first *IS* a Wednesday, it might be hard to formulate an additional 60 seconds of screen time that FITS into the storyline AND discuss it on TBI all within the space of the couple of hours LEFT on April 1st.
So...
how about we do the same thing a few days BEFORE April 1st and then say "April Fools" in the MORNING of the first! Then we can get all the good stuff in BEFORE anyone else tries to.
In addition to getting to SAY April Fools first, it also gives us time to really flush out our extra scene HERE before we drop the seeds on TBI. We can come up with something that becomes a big'ole game changer!
What do you think?
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DocH said...
... CHANG is not a typical Korean name, it is Chinese. Saying that she speaks Korean because Chang is her father does not (even by a long stretch) make one iota of common sense.
Well, as for me, I wasn't thinking of the name Chang being the reason I was connecting Charlotte to being raised Korean - Dr Chang has too many names to pin him to any one of them (and Chang's first name is Pierre - a french connection?) - but the woman in the bed looks Korean and not Chinese to me. I had thought she might have been raised by Jeanette Chang/Wickman/Halliwax/Candle/LEWIS. :) That's all, and I'm over it!
I say, next week before the show starts, we nominate, second, and elect, DUKE - as the official "Hall Monitor" on TBI.. just to take Boobola down a notch - as a "pre" April Fool's joke.
I'm in.
For all we know Candle / Halliwax / Hickman / Chang's REAL last name *IS* Paik!
And yes, Pierre is an exceptionally unusual given name for an Asian!
I tried to do an English to Korean translation of wax and candle, but all my screen got was gobbledygook!
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Yes Doc! Paik WAS a thought I had for her knowing Korean. But I couldn't formulate a theory so I let it be. I'm glad YOU said it though. Her research could have lead her to Paik if you was researching DHARMA and knew he was helping to fund it.
Thank you. You should toss that on TBI and watch 'em scramble!
Wow,gobbledygook doesn't sound Asian when I say it out loud. ROTFL!!
I like the idea that our multi named friend is a Paik.
DocH said...
(to answer your silent thought - yes - when I look in the mirror... I do have a reflection.)
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Belly laughing again....cheecks and sides hurting....
Actually, we don't have to look a spoilers to do this. We just need a theory to exploint and pretend we saw a confirmation during our 'tornado free' viewing.
Personally, for the 4/1 joke, I would prefer to concoct something that is REALLY far-fetched but COULD fit.
a) I don't want to be spoiled
b) I don't want to spoil TBI
c) making stuff up is FUN!
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so i watched the episode again last night and don't really have anything to add...except that this show RULES! haha...you all have a good weekend...;)
I thought Serbian Chris was going for hall monitor but he/she seems to have disapeared.
I KNOW the baby was Miles [:>)
I KNOW that Mrs Hawkings is Daniels mother [:>)
I am wondering if Charlotte is Widmores grandaughter. Her mother would be his daughter and Charlotte couldn't remember that Widmore was her mothers maiden name. I could easily argue myself out of this idea but havn't yet.
ESB, since you re-watched the episode, did you notice whether or not Montand called out from the Smoky hole in ENGLISH? I think I remember that he did. IF he did, how strange to cry out for help in a different language than you and your potential rescuers speak! Just gets curiouser and curiouser...
Rita, sorry, but NO he didn't call for help in English, it was subtitled.
LOL, Detroit is near Ontario, not Quebec. Folks in Windsor sound like folks in WI or MN, but no French accents.
I've been using Direct TV for years so I don't pick up the local Canadian broadcast...but I don't ever in my lifetime remember any French broadcast with English SAP.
Sorry, I misread you question. I don't remember French SAP either.
I guess I should just say....I don't know DocH. :)
Never been to Lethbridge, DocH, but I lived in Toronto (and environs) for six years.
Why will you die when I tell you I grew up in Victoria?
Please don't die!
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Useless fact: The fartherest I've ever traveled into Canada is Tobermory...brrrrr....winter clothes required in July. Scuba trip. Shipwreck dive.
Trying to catch up on TBI and I'm getting a headache. I think my nose is starting to bleed.
Are Lock's leg injuries course corrections?
Perhaps when Jacob said help me it is because Christian is holding him hostage. We don't know they are on the same side.
Hello all. Great theories....keep 'em coming. How about this for an April Fool's Day joke......We all post on TBI about the totally cool Dharma Wants You e-mails we've been getting which give us instructions on how to re-activate our Dharma profiles....to a new super special Dharma website that only some of us have access to. (The old DharmaWantsYou website is not working anymore) White Swans are given access to easter eggs and Black Swans are being given "mis-information". For example, as a White Swan, I have discovered that paternity testing has identified Pierre Chang as being the biological father of 4 different people. Black Swans could try to access this information but are denied and are re-directed to a new test that Dharma has come up with. Stuff like that oughta give us something to talk about......
Miss Kim has a sneaky streak too. That plan might work. One-in-100 of the DI game players have been selected to - etc...
based on merit, of course.
--DocH
I was just looking on Dark UFO at the screnecaps and on the hyrogliphics there was a translation for Hobble rope. It's funny because I feel like my brain has been hobbeled. I keep seeing the answers but they is just out of reach.
Here is one question I'd like to explore. Dose Locke have any half siblings and who might they be. I'm sure Anthony Cooper was capable of leaving a trail of offspring.
A hobble rope, huh.
Was the rope for... polar bears perhaps? Odd that.
As for Anthony Cooper - I am still not convinced fully that he was Locke's biological father. I do think it is possible that Locke has siblings, half or full.
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I like the idea of the DWY thing... but I still would like to create an extra 60 seconds of air time - maybe something you can only see AT DWY with the right code?
heh heh heh
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Agreed, DocH. The problem festers when a "newbie" offers a slight variation on an older theory, which brings the "agree to disagree" people back out of the woodwork. I fall for that repeatedly!
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Horse of a different color.
I have a new theory about the 70 hours.
They keep saying that the O6 “wern’t supposed to leave”. What if they have to be back before 70 hours is up because one of them is/was supposed to travel into the past to make something happen. If they are’t on the island they can’t time travel and do whateverit is in the past. Since everything in the past already happened that would “break” the timeline somehow.
I think that some version of that is exactly what will happen DocH. In fact, I hope so! If they showed all of that, we would likely get some pretty potent answers.
I don't know how much wandering around LOSTpedia you do, but I spent a few minutes reading about Ajira Airways there and learned a lot.
I suspect that Guam is going to play a role in getting our LOSTies back to the island. Look at this page, particularly paying attention to the lower half, starting with the subtitle Guam.
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Ajira_Airways
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PJ-Agreed, DocH. The problem festers when a "newbie" offers a slight variation on an older theory, which brings the "agree to disagree" people back out of the woodwork. I fall for that repeatedly!
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haha, those damn newbies...;)
-tomorrow is Wednesday and THAT is a GOOD thing...;)
"We are going to have to agree to disagree that it is bedtime for Bonzo - after sniffing dead horse bait and swimming away."
LOL...funny DocH. I wonder if Hammer will "whisper" that.:)
DocH said
can we assume that when he went back in time as a construction worker - that was when he warned young Charlotte?
I think so but it must a couple of years after that. I think the video he was shooting was made in 1980 (not 100 percent sure). Charlotte was born in 1979 ( via Ben's bio ), not reaaly sure at what age she would be able to remember him.
Interesting stuff, PJ. Someone, for some purpose, used Airja Airways at one point.
lost4ever said...
"We are going to have to agree to disagree that it is bedtime for Bonzo - after sniffing dead horse bait and swimming away."
LOL...funny DocH. I wonder if Hammer will "whisper" that.:)
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You guys are harshing my buzz. LOL.
Maybe my kids aren't old enough, and I am too old, but I have never heard the term "harshing the buzz."
LOL.
I got a giggle out of it, but hope you know it was in good fun, Hammer!
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