The Variable, Season five's fourteenth episode marks a huge milestone for LOST. It is the program's ONE HUNDREDTH EPISODE!
Two of the show's executive producers, Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse, promise that it is a companion episode to arguably the best episode of season four, "The Constant."
It would seem that VARIABLE is a play on the word CONSTANT in that both are mathematical terms. From Wikipedia: Varying, in the context of mathematical variables, doesn't mean change, but rather, dependence on the values of other variables in the expression in which the variable occurs, or dependence of the value of the expression on that of the variable.
What will this mean to the LOSTies stuck in 1977? Will Daniel's return mean that we will finally find out if and how the characters go back to the "present" time? Will Jin and Sun ever be reunited? What is Smokey? Who is Jacob? Will Desmond return to the island? Will he bring Penny and baby Charlie? Where is Claire? Is Juliet an Other or an other Other? How old is Alpert? What is in Hurley's guitar case? What about Walt? Aaron? Ji-Yeon? How did Pierre Chang lose his arm? Why does he go by so many different names? How is it that Ben can take a lickin' and keep on tickin' OVER and OVER again? How are Widmore and Mrs. Hawking related? How will Paik fit into the story? Will we see the face of the four-toed statue? What do the hieroglyphics under the temple mean? For whom do Ilana and Bram work? Why those numbers?
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I am calmly waiting for "The Variable."
I am calmly waiting for "The Variable."
I am calmly waiting for...
8) Jim
Well PJ, I want all those things answered and then some!
* where are Rose and Bernard?
* who are Adam and Eve?
* Where is Sayeed?
* Where was Faraday?
* Why does it take so long for a new episode to get here??!!
Thanks for the update, DocH. Not sure I can recover from THIS! LOL.
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FINALLY!! Less than 24 hours to go! I want to know if Faraday and Hawking are really related and why she left the island. The Constant was such a great episode last season, I hope this one lives up to it!
I really want the Jacob character revealed by the end of the season. I would also like to see what happened to young Ben after he was carried into the temple. Another would be GMTA's new blogname.
Back on the road so I won't have much time, like CM. But I should be able to enjoy the episode tomorrow with you all. Can't believe the season is almost over already.
I am also guessing we will see the opening scene from the Season premier again.
What is GMTA??
Tasha - Great Minds Think Alike, I assume
So today is Obama's 100th day and Lost's 100th episode. I think it's a clue! LOL j/k
Well I gonna guess that Dan is The Variable. His actions that he learned in the past three years on how to change WHH makes him the variable.
Desmond is the variable. That's why he needed a constant to exist.
Here is some fun reading on variables.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable_(mathematics)
Still lurking, Nashville sounds fun. Have'nt read TBI for last week yet.
CM - do you have a say in the Circus itinerary? Could you make Nashville work?
Thanks for the daily chuckle, DocH!
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Oh goodness. That just made me crack up way too much, DocH. I think I'm overly excited about tonight's episode. Faraday is so odd, but makes for great shows.
CM...first of all we need to know your locations and dates for your circus....2nd, I think Des was main idea for the title of The Constant...I think so because of Dan's notebook.
Funny stuff Doc...funny stuff. :)
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Daniel is the variable as Desmond is the constant. Not much of a reason, I know, but there it is. I think that whatever happened during his off island jaunt will be the clue to the variable. Hopefully, we learn about that tonight!
In fact, I have VERY high hopes for tonight, being the 100th ep and all! I can't wait! Yea, it's LOSTday!!!!
Copy cat!!!! JK Rita...:)
Are these things in a string?
Penny is a constant for the variable Desmond. Desmond is a constant for the variable Daniel. Daniel is the constant for the variable....
"Very able." Nice, very nice *grin*
8) Jim
Makes sense to me Jim.
GMTA Give Me The Answers??
Hi, all--so glad to be back on an Island--have been busy so haven't looked in for a while--hope all is well with everyone!
Well, I am very excited, and nervous, and...holy smoke monster, 100 episodes!!!
""it says Very Able - not - Variable." LOL, nice!
In addition to all the good stuff everyone's put out there as far as what they want to know, I want relationship deets--yes, I am still interested in the various love connections on the island. Are Sawyer & Jules going to stay strong, or be overset by that Kate Factor? I want to know what is up btw Ben and Widmore--Who IS the greater evil, or is Smokey a trump for them both?
And Jack, is he going to pick up the leadership mantle he threw down with such whining abandon? And will he do the right thing, or, even be able to figure out what that right thing is?
AND, what about the now mysterious Locke? Dead, alive,Jacob's mouthpiece?
Oh, yeah! I'm ready!
OTOH, am I going to be happy with the answers we get?
I might be doing some whining of my own later!!!!
Best, Liz
This could be totally off, but I always thought GMTA had something to do with Greenwich Mean Time, since Leah is from across the pond.
I really like your idea Jim, about the constant/variable thing being a string. Maybe that is the key to why everyone is important - in some way or another, they act as a constant/variable that is necessary for whatever outcome is 'supposed to' or 'should' happen.
GMTA was Great Minds Think Alike. Once, about a year ago, Leah and I posted something similar almost simultaneously. I told her GMTA and she adopted that as part of her blog ID.
We Tillies (who have been around since the beginning) were witnesses to the quite horrific flaming arrows she hurled at another poster here a while ago. Her comments were deleted and she was asked to stop with the nastiness and when she did not, she was asked to leave.
Since then, she appears from time to time on TBI, and there has been supposition that she took on the role of "Jayne" to talk to Tarzan on TBI.
In an effort to keep TLI safe and sane, we try to refrain from discussing the characters on TBI, especially in a negative way. Occasionally, Duke and Bobola get the better of us, but by the most part, we try to keep TLI reserved for sweetness and light *bg*.
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A year or two ago, someone used the expression GMTA, to refer to something they had said that someone else had said - I don't remember who now - meaning great minds think alike. Leah was just Leah at that time. She said she liked the GMTA and said "from now on, my name will be GMTA Leah". That's how I remember it.
LOL PJ! I guess GMTA after all!
OH MY GAWD! I LOVE THIS SHOW!
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Did anyone else think "polar bear" and "smokey" when the white monster and red monster showed up in the Star Trek commercial?
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This is getting deep! That book is so important right now.
Anyone see the "WHAT DID YOU SEE?" commercials?? WHat is that all about?
Hammer
Comment 119, posted 1 week, 6 days ago - Quote and reply
Bedtime for Bonzo.
If Faraday was off the island for three years…did he go talk to his younger self in the outside world…put a bunch of entries into his notebook and come back with a way to change WHH?
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Hmmmmm.......
So Danny boy thinks he is the variable that can changed WHH…..hmmmmm.
DANIEL!
How did 10pm come so QUICKLY!?
I guess I was wrong about Widmore and Hawking being Faraday's parents!
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OMG!!! That was so awesome!! I am freaking out!!
So far it looks like Dan's plan got course corrected....WHH.
WELL lots of answers that's for sure! WOW! So, they are ALL variables!
Thanks OK PJ, I was waiting for Widmore to say his relationship was uncle just before he got slapped.
Anyone taking bets on how long it is until someone says it was a "filler" episode?! LOL
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I wonder what Hawking meant that for the first time in a long time she doesn't know what is going to happen? How did she always know? Sounds like she sent Dan back to die. Can't say I really liked Hawking this ep.
I think that Dan thought they are variables....and that Ellie was wrong about destiny...but for now it looks like you can't change WHH.
PJSander said...
Did anyone else think "polar bear" and "smokey" when the white monster and red monster showed up in the Star Trek commercial?
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April 29, 2009 9:24 PM
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Actually the red monster had Cloverfield written all over it.
I doubt that Kate, or Jack either for that matter, really WANT to change the past/future so that the plane never crashes. Neither of them were headed back to a great life in America.
Well I told dh that if LOST's last scene is O815 landing safely in LA, there will be BIG trouble in Nashville *bg*
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PJSander said...
Well I told dh that if LOST's last scene is O815 landing safely in LA, there will be BIG trouble in Nashville *bg*
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Agreed!!
Why on Earth would they ever want to erase what happened and go back to their crappy lives pre-crash? I desperately hope that's not how they end it.
I'm exhausted from being all tensed up for this whole episode!
"Smokey to E.R.! Smokey to E.R.! stat... we have a code blue."
Maybe Faraday can get a bed next to young Ben in the "Skinny White Male with a Bad Haircut" ward.Oh DocH!
Too funny,
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Ok, so Faraday told Ellie to bury the bomb back in 1954. Did she not realize that this was now the same guy? Or could she not see him before she shot him? Even if not, she didn't seem to recognize him after she shot him either. Why?
........the "Skinny White Male with a Bad Haircut" ward.........
LOL...I was in that ward!
It is 23 years later, so though she may remember strange people showing up at her camp, she probably wouldn't remember faces. I don't remember faces of anyone from that time period unless they are still in my life now.
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Wow!
If Ellie saw Daniel in 1954, why did she ask him who he was in 1977?
Why were Daniel, Jack and Kate able to get so close the Others' camp without getting intercepted?
If Sawyer is (used to be?) in charge of security, is Radzinsky's armed force the "DHARMA Army?"
These episodes keep getting better and better. I'm going to be very unhappy in only two weeks!
DocH said...
Faraday also gets the vote as the worst used car salesman ever.
Your Asian. He's Asian. Your son is Miles. His name is Miles. ...so he has to be from the future. (not buying it!)
April 29, 2009 10:23 PM
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Change didn't buy it either...if Change would have, it would have been the cheesiest LOST moment IMO.
So when did Chang and Daniel make the comicon video??
katesFriend said...
So when did Chang and Daniel make the comicon video??
April 29, 2009 10:32 PM
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Ponderous...maybe during another TT loop?
I am glad they confirmed Widmore was the one behind the fake 815.
Ben told the truth about something!
Yeah, have to watch Kimmel tonight. The writer's are whacked. Dan as gone, comes back for ONE episode, then dies. Not only that but gets shot by his MOTHER!! How horrible is that?
I loved how Jack blew up the fuel! Back to things exploding and guns. Yup. Finale is definately coming.
Well I hope everyone has fun discussing. I will catch up tomm. They just shut down the whole Fort Worth school district til at least the end of next week cause of the Flu. Why all this drama on LOST-nite?
Oh but is it me? Or was something up with those commercials tonite?
Rita said...
I wonder what Hawking meant that for the first time in a long time she doesn't know what is going to happen? How did she always know? Sounds like she sent Dan back to die. Can't say I really liked Hawking this ep.
The polite term for Hawking would be domineering mother. The other option begins with the letter "B".
Did she get the need to return wrong? Why?
Why did Daniel expect her to help some other way?
More questions than answers tonight.
8) Jim
Has to be LOST related Tasha...don't know how....but LOST just has to be involved in some kind of campaign for the off season ARG...maybe?
If it *is* the ARG, and that did cross my mind, it better dern well be amazing because as far as I am concerned, they OWE US!
LOL
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The book that Widmore picks up during the Dan visit looks like a magazine called Wired. In big words accross the cover “The Impossible Gets Real!” maybe an easter egg hint that someone will change WHH?
Recent thought. The Comic Con video is soon because Daniel is laid up, he can't explode the bomb (couldn't anyway 'cause it's broken), the incident occurs and Chang gets religion.
Bedtime for little Jimmy.
8) Jim
Oh man. I just finished watching over here on the west coast. Tragically great ending. I'm a big Dan fan, and that ending really tugged at my heartstrings.
I actually thought that Eloise showed a softer side to her tonight. Yes, she is pushy and sends her son to die on the island. But it is clear that the reason why she is so overbearing is because she is pushing him to be able to change something and be successful. Unfortunately, she can't tell him any of that because he wouldn't understand and I'd probably mess it all up. You could tell that she was being eaten up by guilt the entire episode. Great episode, and superb acting by the woman who plays Eloise!
Here is my post on TBI (some of which was already posted here):
I think Daniel has to survive, at least long enough to make the comic-con video.
I think Daniel doesn't stop the drilling and that the release of energy will be the flash (or purple sky event) that returns our LOSTies to their "present" time. Sawyer and Juliet will disappear out of thin air just before they are DHARMAnated.
Here's something that is niggling at me. Sun left Ji-Yeon at home with her mother. Both Claire and Kate have left Aaron. Penny left lilCharlie with a nurse. Michael left Walt. Maybe Hawking plays the Pied Piper and gathers up all these "abandoned children" and brings them to the island?
My head is swimming.
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My only thought is on Dan making the video is that it seems possible that in his studies he may have TT several times and the video was from a different visit to the 70s. IF he actually already died.
Locke has gotten LOST in all of this. How is it that since season 1, he has 'known' that the island is his destiny and he is supposed to be there (ala Hawking) but only 'knows' this by instinct. Hawking really knows what is going on...Locke just senses it...what up?
Plus, last night was "Ben-less" and I missed ME!
According to Dh (who won't share yet), the issue of Wired from this month is guest edited by JJ Abrams and is all about mystery. It includes ALL KINDS of hints and clues and Dh says it will drive me CRAZY!
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I said...
Are these things in a string?
Another theory down the tubes! I'm gonna develop a complex.
Tasha said...
They just shut down the whole Fort Worth school district...
You guys made the national news (Today Show).
Is Daniel Dead?
Me: No, he has to do the video.
PJ: No, he has to do the video.
KtG: Yes.
Tasha: Yes.
Did I get those right? Anyone else?
Unpleasant subject: Did Widmore force himself on Eloise?
8) Jim
Unpleasant subject: Did Widmore force himself on Eloise?a) I think the character is capable of that
b) that would explain the slap
c) euww
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Favorite line for me:
KATE: This is a mistake. He's talking about erasing everything that's ever happened to us, Jack. It's insane.
JACK: We disappeared off a plane in mid-air and ended up in 1977. I'm getting kinda used to insane.
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'What Did You See?'
Those five little five second clips that appeared during "The Variable" are explained and may be seen here: http://tiny.cc/S72UW
8) Jim
OK, so either Widmore had a son with his sister, or I was wrong. It does seem as though Penny and Daniel are step siblings. I now want to know, more than ever, who Penny's mother is.
Our circus, Fern Street Circus, performs primarly in San Diego for two weeks at the end of May. I can share video of the show in June. We'll have to figure out how. If you search Youtube for Fern STreet Circus you will find a lot of our Jr. performers and training videos. Add Feelin' Good and you will get ritacircus chiffon act. My son is the young man who hands her the blue chiffon. She is a performer from Mexica and has several videos in her group.
Many are claiming Daniel is dead, mostly because rumors are that someone key will die this season. IMO - We did NOT see Daniel die, although he was not having a stellar day.I agree with you, DocH. I think it was might conVENient that the "one main character will die" virus started spreading in earnest YESTERDAY.
Thanks for the info about those weird mini-mercials, JiG.
CM, I think you need to start working on tweaking next year's schedule so that you're performing earlier in May *bg*
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Jim, add me to the thinks he's dead list. Like the rest of my theories, it's because of all the little hints (or least I took them as hints). Like I said earlier, it doesn't make sense that he hadn't made the video yet, and don't have a good explanation for that other than the possiblity that since the video hasn't been in the show...maybe it's from a different TT event.
Just sayin...
Doc's 215 comment on TBI is a cool theory...but let's see if Duke gets all pissy about how it being written like it is fact. No IMO's, no 'I thinks'..... LOL...LOL... still LOLing.
It will be interesting to see... Duke has only posted twice (under that name at least). Once as 'first post' and once repeating my info about JJ being involved with May's Wired magazine.
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I'm in the "Dan is dead" camp - or at least as dead as one gets on LOST. I think he either comes BACK ala Chrisian and John, and makes the video, OR we are mistaken about Dan making the video. We hear Chang say "LaFleur" once, but do we really KNOW that Dan made the video?
DocH, we actually DID see Benboy after his "healing", at the hostile camp when he meets Widmore.
Rita,
I called the voice behind the camera as Jeremy Davies very early - maybe even the first time I saw it. If it is NOT Faraday's voice, it is his twin brother's (IMO).
*g*
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Well, the voice of the "undead" it is then!
JiG, add me to the Dan must be alive to make the video camp. I think the video is too important to not be part of the show.
Also, thanks for the info on the What did you see commercials, counds interesting!
I am with Dan is alive and in the video (voice only).
I think Dan is dead, but I don't think he's the "major LOST death" that is supposed to happen this season. I have a feeling it's going to be someone that has been around for a while, not sure why, but I think it's Sawyer...I hope not though, that would be *almost* as sad as Charlie!
Something is rotten in Denmark.
In the TV Guide interview quoted on TV Guide's web page and at Dark UFO, D & C:
* Say that Jeremy Davies is history.
* Praise his work, particularly in "The Variable."
* Do not say that Faraday died in "The Variable."
Assume make an...
8) Jim
Added: Carlton Cuse said Davies "was personally saddened that his full-time status on Lost was coming to an end."
8) Jim
FWIW...I like everyone's 'theory' better than mine that Dan is still alive (especially Doc's theory)...I just FEEL that they were hinting he was gonna die, then it happened (I believe).
I just FEEL that they were hinting he was gonna die, then it happened (I believe).LOL. It is precisely BECAUSE they were hinting at a death, that I don't think he's dead! I wonder if D&C's WIVES even trust what they say!
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Okay, at least one person is going to die and that person isn't Daniel, yet, maybe. Is Daniel the only one? I may have misread D & C, but they seemed to be suggesting that there will be multiple casualties when they told us that only Vincent is guaranteed to survive to the end. That's a heck of a body count.
Are people going to die off by class? Of the known "children of the Island," Charlotte is dead, Daniel is...something, and Miles better start looking over his shoulder.
I'm with others who thing that the world will be a better place when Radzinsky puts a check mark next to his own name unless, of course, Kelvin Inman, who lies well, did it. If I were stuck in the Swan with Radzinsky, I'd be tempted.
Over at the LP, someone has pointed out that Widmore made very good time from London to Los Angeles between his phone call from Ben and his arrival at the hospital in the role as estranged father times two. That assumes he did not follow Desmond and Penny to the States, sensing the confrontation to come.
I wanna know about the Black Rock. I've probably said that before.
This is so good! How are they going to fit it all into one more season?
8) Jim
Over at the LP, someone has pointed out that Widmore made very good time from London to Los Angeles between his phone call from Ben and his arrival at the hospital in the role as estranged father times two. That assumes he did not follow Desmond and Penny to the States, sensing the confrontation to come.I think we had a discussion about how quickly Desmond, Penny, Charlie and Our Mutual Friend made it from the British Isles to Long Beach. Maybe there is a portal in the English Channel? LOL
*If* Widmore was actually in England when he took that call from Ben, then yes, it was unusually fast. However, I think it is possible that Widmore has offices in the US and that he may well have been in Chicago or NYC when he took that call.
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This is a kind of cool look at "before they were LOST" -
http://msg.com/photos/lost-cast-before-they-were-lost/slide/1/
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I suddenly remember Damon or Carlton saying the we would find out in Season 5 the meaning behind Daniel's skinny black tie. That hasn't happened yet.
On the LP there's a slow march toward accepting Dan being dead.
8) Jim
Over on TBI someone said something about Sawyer being Inman. Someone else said he couldn't be because Inman was in the Gulf War. What is Inman is 1977 Sawyer in a few years?
Of course this goes against my theory that you don't age until you catch up with yourself.
Need more time. Only watched once.
Over on TBI someone said something about Sawyer being Inman. Someone else said he couldn't be because Inman was in the Gulf War. What is Inman is 1977 Sawyer in a few years?I don't like. I don't buy it. Too kitschy. Too many reasons why it would be weird. (I am grumpy, so I won't list them now, but I may sometime.)
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Phew. There are some very verbose posts on TBI. Still grumpy and don't have it in me to read them! *bg* Maybe later. LOL
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Sawyer as Inman
I have a real problem with the idea of someone who we've seen in good lighting conditions suddenly being revealed to be someone else who we've seen in good lighting conditions. Josh Holloway doesn't look anything like Clancy Brown.
Separate reasoning behind "who's Jacob?" D & C once said the actor had been selected. Jacob has never been seen in good light.
8) Jim
Finally got through the LO-O-O-O-NG posts on TBI and Steve's 283 had some merit. Just in case you were wondering if it is worth the time. *g* I always have to wonder when people write pages and pages!
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Daniel says that, if he is successful, Flight 815 will land in Los Angeles. Flight 815 wasn't heading for Los Angeles; it had turned and was heading for Tahiti.
Does it matter?
8) Jim
Okay, so the "Sawyer as Inman" thing has been bugging me. Sawyer CAN'T be Inman because he was Sawyer! Adult Sawyer was conning people in the US while Inman was in Iraq and working for DHARMA.
So yeah. Can't work. I think I need to look at that thread on TBI again.
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PJSander said...
I just FEEL that they were hinting he was gonna die, then it happened (I believe).LOL. It is precisely BECAUSE they were hinting at a death, that I don't think he's dead! I wonder if D&C's WIVES even trust what they say!
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LOL...PJ, that is also WHY people thought that the runway wasn't a runway...and the Aaron wasn't an O6 and that Hawking wasn't Dan mom...
*g*
I'm thinking that Dan is dead because of Eloise's actions. If she shoots him in 1977 and he survives, then her 2007 conversation with Widmore about sacrifice does not make a lot of sense.
Even so, I'm hoping for a miraculous recovery!
Also, I wonder why Richard insisted that Eloise wasn't there, when she was really in a nearby tent. Is there significance to this lie, or is he just screening her calls?
KateTheGreat said...
I'm thinking that Dan is dead because of Eloise's actions. If she shoots him in 1977 and he survives, then her 2007 conversation with Widmore about sacrifice does not make a lot of sense.
Even so, I'm hoping for a miraculous recovery!
Well KtheG, if Daniel was correct that Jack et al was NOT suppose to be there, then PERHAPS Eloise was trying to change things by having a surgeon standing RIGHT THERE when she shoots Daniel. That would make Jack the variable. I really do think Dan died, but maybe Jack tries to save him, or actually DOES save him, who knows?
PJSander said...
This is a kind of cool look at "before they were LOST" -
http://msg.com/photos/lost-cast-before-they-were-lost/slide/1/
Thanks PJ, that was fun!
DocH said...
JiG, What are you smoking?
Not smokin' nuttin', boss, it's bad for the security clearance! *big wide smile* Oops, mixed up my islands.
Two discrete events:
1) The storm knocked out the commo so they had to turn back (to Fiji vs Tahiti); this wasn't related to Desmond or the Island.
2) Enroute to emergency/precautionary landing, 815 encounters a window caused by Desmond's failure to push the button, breaks up and crashes on the Island.
If the button pushing exercise had not been necessary because there was no energy requiring it, 815 would have arrived safely in Fiji. The aircraft would have been at least temporarily grounded while its commo was repaired.
Meanwhile, the passengers would have put up in a nice hotel for at least one night in an attempt to preclude complaints or lawsuits. Another aircraft would have been found somewhere and "815-Special" would have flown from Fiji to LAX.
Daniel was speaking out of ignorance. No one off the Island knedw about the commo failures.
8) Jim
Late to the party.:)
I agree with Dan being dead but I am very confused on the video. Also, how did Dan know the specific details about Chang's arrival at the Swan construction site? That reminded me of Groundhog Day.
I think I am buying the theory that he has been TT, I just don't know how or don't understand how he could. The only reason he did the first time was because Ben turned the wheel.
He got the notebook from Eloise at his graduation. Anyone know what was on the cover? It appeared to be some sort of "twin" symbols.
Good to see the convo he had with Charlotte, that cleared up when that happened.
The slap from Eloise when Widmore called Daniel his son reminded me of when Danielle hit Ben when he called Alex his daughter.
On a side note, I haven't had a chance to apologize Hammer. I am sorry. The pistons got demolished by my Cavs.:) LBJ=MVP.
KTGsaid:
Also, I wonder why Richard insisted that Eloise wasn't there, when she was really in a nearby tent. Is there significance to this lie, or is he just screening her calls?
I was more curios as to why Richard sounded so certain that Daniel was not gonna shoot.
After watching it twice, I think Eloise in 1977 did recognize Daniel from 1954 by the way she said it "Who are you?" IMO, there was recognition that she remembered him from 1954. Then there was a look of horror on her face when Faraday said he was her son.
Rita said:
So, they are ALL variables!
That's what Daniel stated, but the episode title was singular. I think Hawking was the variable but she believed too heavily in destiny.
I think Faraday referred to Chang as Chinese specifically and not Asian. I wonder if there was a reason behind this?
lost4ever said...
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I think Eloise in 1977 did recognize Daniel from 1954
Nice. "Who are you( that you can avoid aging in more than twenty years)!?"
Eloise is not a shop clerk by profession; there's too much else going on. She had to be able to see into the future to know that Desmond would want to buy an engagement ring from a certain store and to be able to arrange to be minding the store that day.
But -- in 1977 -- she can't do that yet.
8) Jim
After watching it twice, I think Eloise in 1977 did recognize Daniel from 1954 by the way she said it "Who are you?" IMO, there was recognition that she remembered him from 1954.
I like that idea, L4E. She was pretty keen on pointing a gun at him in 1954 too.
"Who are you( that you can avoid aging in more than twenty years)!?"
JiG, wouldn't she be asking that of Richard then? He hasn't aged either. I think her suspicion of Daniel is more from his ability to disappear before her eyes back in 1954.
KateTheGreat said...
"Who are you( that you can avoid aging in more than twenty years)!?"
JiG, wouldn't she be asking that of Richard then?
She knows Richard. Maybe it was "Who are you( that you can avoid aging in more than twenty years!? Only Richard is...)"
But now I'm guessing even more than usual. *smile*
BTW, was Charlotte-on-the-swing the same little girl (not actress) as Charlotte-in-the-garden? I think it's "yes," but...
8) Jim
I think Faraday referred to Chang as Chinese specifically and not Asian. I wonder if there was a reason behind this?Keeping in mind that I didn't grow up in the US, isn't "asian" a relatively new "PC" term? I seem to remember "oriental" was the generic term and Chinese was the specific (even if it were wrong) when I was a kid (in the late 70's).
So maybe Daniel was cognizant of that and used a term that would be familiar? Dunno.
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KTG: JiG, wouldn't she be asking that of Richard then? He hasn't aged either. I think her suspicion of Daniel is more from his ability to disappear before her eyes back in 1954.
I was thinking that too KTG. Did we see Faraday, Sawyer, and Juliet "flash" in front of her or just the aftermath? Can't remember.
Is there an off-island timeline for Faraday in this past episode? I am wondering if shooting her son got her banished by Widmore? Any possibility there?
lost4ever said... Is there an off-island timeline for Faraday in this past episode? I am wondering if shooting her son got her banished by Widmore? Any possibility there?
Or maybe this is why she left? Not banished?
lost4ever said...
On a side note, I haven't had a chance to apologize Hammer. I am sorry. The pistons got demolished by my Cavs.:) LBJ=MVP.
May 2, 2009 9:33 PM
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Oh sure...kick a guy while he's down. :)
Yep, Cav's turn...pleeeeease beat the Celts...pleeeease.
PJSander said...
Keeping in mind that I didn't grow up in the US, isn't "asian" a relatively new "PC" term? I seem to remember "oriental" was the generic term and Chinese was the specific (even if it were wrong) when I was a kid (in the late 70's).
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That is how I remember it growing up in the 70's as well. But I think he said Chinese because they ARE Chinese...no?
That makes me think of Jin delivering the stuffed panda to the baby in the hospital for Paik...I know it was a flashback and there's no way it was Chang (at least I don't think), but that's what it made me think of, wasn't there a big argument about him being in China, since the guy in the store said that pandas were lucky?
There was a discussion. As I recall, Jin was in Korea, but it was the Chinese minister (of something or other) whose daughter was giving birth.
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Chinese:
The Panda: Jin delevered it to "the Ambassador" with the comment that Mr. Paik was eager to do business in China. It was unclear whether the man was the Chinese Ambassador to Korea or the Korean Ambassador to China who had come home for his grandson's birth.
Daniel's Comment about Miles Ethnicity: Among humans with epicanthal folds on their eyelids, there are probably more Chinese than any other ethnicity. Then again, at some point on the Kahana, Daniel may have asked. They sure had enough time on their hands. *g*
8) Jim
I wonder if pushing the button in the Swan Station was some kind of punishment / prison sentence? Radzinsky definitely needs a "time out" based on his erratic behavior, maybe that's where he is sent? If so, what did Inman do?
Here is another question - what is/was in those injections that Inman and Desmond got? That Claire got?
Hmmm.
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PJSander said...
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Here is another question - what is/was in those injections that Inman and Desmond got? That Claire got?
I've always though that the fluid was sterile water. It's kind of like hanging the "Quarantined" sign on the inside of the Swan door.
8) Jim
I always guess that it was just vitamins or something. Now, maybe it really WAS something else.
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I always thought it was "something" in the injections, just not a true vaccine.
All the bible talk on TBI got me thinking...
Remember in S2E10 P23, when Eko says the bible verse incorrectly? He says "Yea, though I walk through the shadow of the valley of death" instead of "Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death." D&C claimed that it was an innocent error on the writers' part and that it made sense since Eko wasn't REALLY a priest. But what if the error was a purposeful hint for this season? What if "what lies in the shadow the statue" is the "valley of death?" Not sure where this goes next: Ben's body pit? Some other burial ground, perhaps beneath the temple? Smokey's lair?
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PJ, I like the comment about Radzinsky's time out!
While I was getting ready to type the above, I had another one of those thoughts. I don't know where we are in terms of elapsed time. "The Incident" occurs in four hours from whatever time it was before Dan got shot. DHARMA has to intervene to keep the energy in check so it puts computers in the Swan to allow a watch keeper to type the numbers every 108 minutes. But the Swan is a whole in the ground! It's a construction site. Or had sufficient time passed since "Whatever Happened, Happened" for the Swan to be completed?"
PJSander said...
...shadow of the valley...
Oh, my, PJ, oh, my.
Good work!
8) Jim
But the Swan is a whole in the ground! It's a construction site. Or had sufficient time passed since "Whatever Happened, Happened" for the Swan to be completed?"
Good question. We know that "something" with a magnetic pull is encased in cement. Perhaps that is their quick resolution? Pour cement over it and create a valve which must be released at certain times?
Maybe the FDW is the way they release the energy for a while? Maybe someone turns it once a day and they lose someone to the future each day (like a sacrifice to the island) until they a) train polar bears to do it and then b) finish the hatch and create the computer programmed option to do it?
Okay, I am really reaching here, but I need something other than Faraday / Hawking / Widmore to think about! LOL
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Ok, as good as this episode was, I'm really ready for this week's episode to get here...less than 48 hours now...
I am watching In Plain Sight and Cynthia Watros is a central character tonight. LOSTies are popping up everywhere this week!
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I'm sad we haven't gotten to learn more about Libby this season, I thought we might get more about her back story and how she ended up in Santa Rosa and on the island...I was starting to wonder if she had been one of Dan's research subjects and the insanity of time travel/conscience travel is what landed her in the crazy house with Hurley? Oh well, maybe we'll never know?
I was starting to wonder if she had been one of Dan's research subjects and the insanity of time travel/conscience travel is what landed her in the crazy house with Hurley?
Good theory Lins!
I watched the rest of IPS and Cynthia Watros was sadly underused. I guess not every job requires the chops it takes to do a LOST scene!
I am beginning to love Tuesdays almost as much as Wednesdays! Yay LOST!
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Cynthia one of Dan's Subjects?
I hadn't thought of that one. Dan fled to the "States," but they didn't say where. I hope Libby's story isn't one of those things they "don't have enough time to tell." It's part of Hurley's story, too. Even given his mental state, how could he not remember her?
8) Jim
And remember, we don't know Libby's last name... I have always speculated that she is a Widmore! LOL
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Libby may have been working with Hawking all along. Another person 'making sure' Des filled his 'destiny'? Some of us assumed Widmore acted alone to set up Des for the trip...
Side note:
PJ's a zealot, PJ's a zealot....na, na-nah boo boo.... LOL
Takes one to know one, Hammer dahling! Neener neener neener!
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PJSander said...
And remember, we don't know Libby's last name... I have always speculated that she is a Widmore!
Widmore born or married to David Widmore? Just curious.
8) Jim
I forgot to *g* or put LOL, Hammer, but I hope you knew I was kidding.
In fairness, though, I probably do fall into the zealot category by technical definition, as someone who follows LOST with a somewhat fervent manner.
However, to ME, a zealot is one who is over the top in their zeal, and not just a fan, but a fanatic.
You know, the one that wears a DHARMA jumpsuit to bed; has stock in Oceanic and Ajira; consumes Apollo bars daily; has an alarm set to go off every 108 minutes; plans vacations to Guam, London, Oxford, NYC, Sydney, Korea, Tallahassee, (Not in) Portland, Los Angeles, Tunisia, Ann Arbor, Hawaii and other places featured on LOST; has a bookshelf with Our Mutual Friend, Watership Down, Ulysses, The Odyssey, The Stand, The Wizard of Oz, Catch-22, Of Mice and Men, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, The Little Prince, Are You There God, It's Me Margaret, The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe, The Brothers Karamazov, A Tale of Two Cities, Stranger in a Strange Land, The Bible, The Book of Laws, The Lord of the Flies, The Turn of the Screw, Harry Potter and every other literary work referenced.
Okay, since I named those cities and those literary works without LOSTpedia (though admittedly, I looked up the spelling of Karamazov), maybe I *do* qualify as a zealot. LOL
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D & C, in the most recent podcast were asked: Because of the significant of Jin not being able to speak English back in Sep 2004, what language would he speak if the show were dubbed in Korean? The answer was that they hoped no one would ever ask them to do that! LOL
They also said Ellie killed her son, but, later in the podcast, Damon (I think) said he thinks Daniel is dead. When one of those two says "I think," grab your wallets and purses!
8) Jim
Thanks for the info about the podcast, JiG. I had been checking daily looking for the audio and had given it up. As usual, a whole lot of double-speak!
I had already written the blog post for this evening, and since it would appear I wasn't far off the money, I am going to post it as is!
*g*
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Ok, so from TBI, obviously Wingman feels very strongly about Jacob...what do you all think about who Jacob really is...someone we already know, someone new?
I'm voting for someone new...
I already suggested Grampa Ray. Could be anyone, but that's my guess.
New post is going up momentarily. TBI is down. Odd that.
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