We're heading around the corner and easing into week two. Can we REALLY say we're through the LOST withdrawal? I know that as much as I would love to deny it, I am still in the throes. While thoughts of LOST don't creep into my every waking moment, I do consider different plot points now and then.
It is generally an accepted theory that there are seven stages of grief. While I can't pretend that living without a television show is comparable to losing a loved one, I think that perhaps we might find we have our own list.
So as we continue with our numbers game, and discussing theories (because the numbers game is really just part distraction from our "loss"), consider what might make the list of "seven stages of LOST withdrawal" and add them in the comments.
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21 - the number of episodes with Daniel Faraday. It is a bit of a stretch, but with these bigger numbers, that is where we will be going!
I think we can safely shut down this game when we get to 42. Or shall we try to go to 108?
I like a challenge!
Keep up the non-numbers game talk, folks. The numbers are just to keep our minds limber! LOL
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PJSander said...
I think we can safely shut down this game when we get to 42. Or shall we try to go to 108?
I think we ought to try to keep going, especially if we get to 42 relatively soon. We'll know if/when the game dies.
8) Jim
#22 Boone Carlyle was 22 years old. :)
Nice new pic, Jim in G. You're aging nicely!
Rita said...
Nice new pic, Jim in G. You're aging nicely!
Thanks, workin' this blog has aged me thirteen years in two months. LOL
I hate to think what I'll look like a year from now!
8) Jim
Jim in Georgia said Tentative conclusion: Richard is and always has been the leader of the others. Other people may be led to believe that they are leading, but they are not.
Maybe when Richard Alpert arrived on the Black Rock he was the one person who did not fight, destroy, or corrupt. He is the person who secured Jacob as "the winner" in whatever debate/argument he and Beach Guy were having. Because of this, Jacob has made Alpert the leader of the Others and has made it so he doesn't age........
Well 23, I can do without looking! LOL
There was a $23,000 reward for turning Kate in to the authorities.
Psalm 23 is the bible passage that both Eko and Charlie recite (incorrectly!).
I like the idea of Alpert being the one "person" that Jacob feels he can trust. I sort of see him as the pope to Jacob's god.
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Well I re-watched the finale yesterday and found a #24 - when Jacob was in the taxi with Hurley, he told him to get on Ajira flight 316 which was supposed to leave in 24 hours...I still want to know what's in that guitar case though!
PJSander said...
I like the idea of Alpert being the one "person" that Jacob feels he can trust. I sort of see him as the pope to Jacob's god.
Are we approaching "the" answer? BG is the devil?
Sudden disquieting thought: The Monster is god. (Note the small "g" please.) He/she/it judges, grants life or death and has no name.
8) Jim
monotheist dregs
ROFLOL. I love it, Doc!
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Oh and 25 - Charlie's age at the time of the crash, but honestly... that is really pushing the reality limits! I suppose you could chalk it up to a bad lifestyle.
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#26 - there were 26 survivors from the tail section of the plane. :)
No LOST tonight. Whimper...
Rita said...
#26 - there were 26 survivors
No challenge here, but the LP (the source of all knowledge?) is a muddle. The page for "The Other 48 Days" says 26, the page about the Tailies says 22, and the page with the list of the people has 24 entries. Arrrgh!
8) Jim
WOW!
There's an interesting post on an LP talk page about Jacob having been stabbed (and killed and burned) in 2007 but having talked with Hurley in 2008. How could this be?
8) Jim
Very interesting JiG! I can't even type much now...my brain is working too hard!
That was on TBI too (though the person said they wrote - or saw - it on another blog).
That theory is ASSUMING that the A316 flight took off in early 2008 and crashed/flashed BACK to mid 2007. But I think it is more likely someone's zealous affirmation that "thirty years" has to mean EXACTLY thirty years and "three years" has to mean EXACTLY three years.
We know that the O6 were rescued in early 2005 based on the 108 days since 9/22/2004. They lived off island for "three years" and we all assumed that meant A316 left in early 2008. They landed "thirty years" later than mid-1977 (July if Sawyer is to be trusted).
I am not saying that A316 DIDN'T flash back six months, we just don't have any evidence that it did - beyond "thirty years" screen shots.
There is also speculation that the scene with Jacob and Ilana in the hospital was a flashforward.
Personally, I don't think Jacob is dead. The fire was purposeful. Rising like a phoenix? Baptism of fire?
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27 - From LP: In an interview with E! in 2009, Damon stated the following in regards to the Numbers: "Here's the story with numbers. The Hanso Foundation that started the Dharma Initiative hired this guy Valenzetti to basically work on this equation to determine what was the probability of the world ending in the wake of the Cuban Missile Crisis. Valenzetti basically deduced that it was 100 percent within the next 27 years, so the Hanso Foundation started the Dharma Initiative in an effort to try to change the variables in the equation so that mankind wouldn't wipe it itself out." [1] an interesting side note to that might be that 4+8-15-16-23+42 = 0.
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PJSander said...
That was on TBI too (though the person said they wrote - or saw - it on another blog).
That theory is ASSUMING that the A316 flight took off in early 2008 and crashed/flashed BACK to mid 2007.
I spent a lot of time on the LP (well, seems like a lot) arguing that 30 years didn't necessarily mean 10957.5 days. Some people agreed; most ignored the comment. I thought D & C had made a comment on a recent podcast about Ajira 316 taking off in 2008 and crashing in 2007. I didn't hear the words in the most recent podcast with the two of them. The podcasts are mind-numbing after a while and I can't put up with another one right now *grin* so I'll just have to go on memory.
In the meantime, my version is that the Oceanic Six were rescued in January 2005 and (minus Aaron plus others) left LAX in ...approximately January 2008.
8) Jim
Thanks for mentioning the podcasts, JiG. There is a "post finale" audiocast with Michael Emerson which I quite enjoyed. Actually, I enjoy all the podcasts, but only because I find that I set aside time for them and doodle while I listen. (I am a relentless multitasker, so I have to have something to do. DH calls it my LOST art. LOL)
I will re-listen to the final few podcasts in time and see what I can hear about taking off in 2008 and crashing in 2007. If that is the case, then we do know that Jacob didn't die, right? Because he visits Hurley 24 hours prior to A316 taking off.
Hmmm...
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As I said before, there is just no way that Jacob is dead. Or maybe he is dead, but he's got to come back somehow. That would be just too lame to introduce him and immediately kill him. That said, even ignoring the 30 years argument, I see no reason why he wouldn't be around to talk to Hurley in 2008.
Don't know if that made sense or not. I'm thinking not.
27 - Danielle, Karl, and Alex all died on December 27, 2004.
I don't think Jacob is dead at all, I think Rita said it after the episode aired, that his death was very similar to Aslan dying in The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe. I think we'll see him again!!
...podcasts...
I listened to 5/11/09 and 5/4/09 in that order this morning. I don't think the statement was in any of the cast 'casts(?).
I'd forgotten about Rita's comparison to Aslan. I agree.
8) Jim
#28
On Dec 28, 2004, Juliet performs an appendectomy on Jack.
What're we gonna do when we get above 31? 8(
8) Jim
#29 - Ana Lucia Cortez was 29 years old.
I don't believe that Jacob is dead, but I do think that we will be lead to believe that he is for a good bit of the new season - while BG has his way, and the war gets going. Then, Jacob will "come back" and good will prevail. At least that is how I HOPE it goes! (I'm a sucker for a happy ending :)
Hey does anyone know L4E outside of TLI or TBI? There have been no posts since early May - which I find just odd.
Any thoughts? Lost4Ever are you OUT THERE?!
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#30 - "Thirty years later"
LOL
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#31
Kate (with Aaron) visited Sun in her suite on the 31st floor of the hotel.
8) Jim
BTW, the LP has announced the "User Rewatch" program to rewatch every episode -- I presume on line -- between Jun 1 and the beginning of season six.
lostpedia.wikia.com -- in case ya didn't know.
32
My daughter's softball number. *g*
The number of miles Roger and Emily Linus were hiking outside of Portland.
IMO the 'war' will be between BG and Jacob...hence, not 'dead'.
Don't know L4E, but I remember him saying something about being really busy.
We haven't heard from Tasha lately either. L4E! Tasha! Liz S! Where are you??
I've seen Tasha on FB, so at least she isn't completely MIA. Julie, too.
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On day 33, Jin is blamed for burning the raft and in defending him, Sun reveals that she speaks English.
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Just rewatched the pilot. I think we need to keep a running count of how many times Kate says, "We have to go back for him."
She says it once when she, Jack and Charlie are outrunning the monster and Charlie catches up with her but Jack doesn't.
They all look so YOUNG! lol
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#34 - Day number 34 is the day that Michael and Jin start building the second raft.
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#35 - when the captured Losties were at the Hydra station, Ben asked Sawyer how old he was and he admitted to being 35.
And PJ, I know what you mean about how young they look. I think Sun and Sawyer look the most changed from season 1 to now. I would say Jin and Jack are pretty different too though...
Yes, and as big as Jorge Garcia is now, he was much bigger in season one! I think that Evie has aged very well, and Naveen, too. It is hard to judge the rest since they're not regulars any more.
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#36 - C&P direct from LP
The commune where Locke lived was in or near Bridgeville, CA, on Highway 36.
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Libby was 37 when Michael shot and killed her.
Bonnie used a Walther P38 in "Through the Looking Glass".
Jughead bomb weighs 39 thousand pounds.
Softball tournament update. We went 3-0 on day mercying (sp?) two teams and scoring the most runs on day one than any other team in all age group :)
Then proceeding to lose our first elimination game on day two :(
Poop Hammer, that stinks! Congrats to the team on record breaking, though!
#40 - the number of days that Mr. Eko continued his self-imposed silence.
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slugdoc, on TBI, posted something I found quite interesting:
(Dead) Christian in Jack’s hospital post-2004: It wasn’t a broken smoke detector that alerted Jack to Dad’s presence, was it? It was a smoke detector going off for now apparent reason.
Except there was a reason! Smoke! Smokie! When Cristian showed up, AS SMOKIE, he set off the SMOKE DETECTOR!
I don't necessarily subscribe to the smoke monster = Christian theory, but it would be like D&C to offer that up for us on a smoke filled platter.
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#41 - the number of days that Boone lived after the crash of O815.
Something else I realized while rewatching the pilot - Kate wasn't in among the wreckage (at least that we saw) either. Didn't see Sawyer or Sayid there either. Hurley, Locke, Sun, Jin, and a lot of now deceased characters were.
Don't know if it means anything. *g*
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PJSander said...
Something else I realized while rewatching the pilot - Kate wasn't in among the wreckage (at least that we saw) either. Didn't see Sawyer or Sayid there either. Hurley, Locke, Sun, Jin, and a lot of now deceased characters were.
Our current iteration of the Losties (1977) gets propelled forward and replaces those who died in the crash? I'm not super comfortable with that, but I can't dismiss it, either.
8) Jim
Our current iteration of the Losties (1977) gets propelled forward and replaces those who died in the crash? I'm not super comfortable with that, but I can't dismiss it, either.
Not sure I get it. Are you suggesting that perhaps Kate, Jin, Sawyer, etc. actually DIED in the O815 crash, but their 1977 selves flashed to the scene of the crash to replace their dead bodies? Plausible, perhaps. But yeah, I don't like it so much.
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LOST in real life!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/feedarticle/8535236
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PJSander said...
...actually DIED in the O815 crash...
I thought you were hinting at that. It's a possibility I dislike tremendously. If the 1977 versions poofed to 2004 that means that everything we've seen them do is a lie, starting with Jack telling Kate about counting to five as if he didn't know her. It doesn't work. It would almost be a show stopper for me.
8) Jim
42:
42 slits in the air vent of the Dharma van.
The no. on a the jersey of a boy at Hurley suprise party.
42 surivors at the end of S1.
Kate's house no. after she leaves Jack (post O6).
Bonus, unrelated (if anything is unrelated):
42 is the ultimate answer as told by Douglas Adams in The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy series. None of the characters knew the question until late in the series when they learned the question was "Life, the Universe and Everything"
Talk about being on Jeopardy for an eternity!
8) Jim
#43 - the day that Jack first learns about the hatch.
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Day #44 is when Sawyer gets shot on the raft.
WAAA-AAA-AAA-AAA-AAALT!
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#46 - the number of people left on the beach after Joanna died from drowning. Jack was devastated because he'd never spoken to her.
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(who is very grateful to LP because even though I have to look these things up, it helps me remember stuff!)
Oops apparently, I can't count.
#45 - the kind of Colt pistol that Jack has used - I guess. LOL
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PJSander said...actually DIED in the O815 crash...
Jim said...If the 1977 versions poofed to 2004 that means that everything we've seen them do is a lie, starting with Jack telling Kate about counting to five as if he didn't know her.
Hmmmmm. However, if "the gang" is in their "present" time line when they go poof to their "past",maybe whatever happened doesn't really happen. Kind of like how Miles was himself and himself as a baby in the same place at the same time. Perhaps dead John Locke and Beach Guy Possessed John Locke is how you overcome the Grandfather Paradox....
Miss Kim said...
...the Grandfather Paradox....
Forget how old people look. Jacob is BG's grandfather? Oh, WOW!
8) Jim
So BG goes off-island recruiting for his own evil purposes and perhaps Jacob uses Alpert to do his off-island recruiting? Perhaps that is why Alpert said, "I'm this way because of Jacob"? Interesting thoughts DocH. In short sight, it makes some of the points of the story seem petty or un-needed, like Widmore's search for the island...I'm still trying to tie that all in with Jacob and BG's quest for island "ownership" (for lack of a better word - it's late and I'm having trouble forming coherent sentences!) .
Btw, props to DocH.
After slugdoc's post about Christian and the SMOKE detector on TBI, I posted the same thing, more or less that I posted here. Wingman responded that he couldn't believe that no one had made that connection before. I thought that was a bit rude, and told him I didn't remember he, or anyone else, posting about that before.
THEN, I looked at the thread from SNBH (about a YEAR ago!) and saw that DocH did in fact mention Smokey and Christian and the smoke detector.
WTG, DocH!
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#47 - the number of people on the beach after the marshal expired (I didn't say "died" because that might infer that there was no extraneous effort in the cause of death... SAWYER!)
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Yeah, I couldn't remember WHO mentioned the smoke detector, but I did remember it was brought up when it first aired.
Glad it was a one of our tillies.
I said...
Miss Kim said...
...the Grandfather Paradox....Forget how old people look. Jacob is BG's grandfather? Oh, WOW!
Update, I think. Jacob is BG's grandfather and BG hasn't been born yet? It wouldn't matter if BG killed his grandfather after he (BG) had been born.
8) Jim
I missed something. Please explain how Jacob can be BG's grandfather?!
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Yeah....me too LOL...I am LOST on the Jacob, BG granpa thingy.
Thanks for biting your keyboard, DocH. I was mostly just mad that wingman was so snarky in his "I can't believe you never thought of that" post. Once I realized you had mentioned it, I needed to make sure I gave you your due!
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I've noticed that wingman can be a bit snarky about lots of things. I usually skim his posts to see if there's anything worth reading about the show, and that's all the time I spend on him...
Day # 48 was a big one on the island...the Tailies met up with the Losties, Shannon was shot, Rose and Bernard are united, Sun and Jin are united, Sawyer finally gets medical attention for his gunshot wound...I remember crying a bit watching that one :)
DocH said...
Do pilots taste better?
I doubt it. Smokey spit out most of Seth and left him hanging from a tree. Yuck! Ptui! LOL
PJSander and Hammer said...
Grandpa..?
Sorry I should have explained better. The supposed ultimate time paradox is that I can not go back in time and kill my grandfather before grandpa meets grandma, because then mom or dad would never have been born, therefore meaning that I could never have been born and gone back in time to kill grandpa; as a result, grandpa would never have been killed and he could have met grandma and produced mom or dad who produced me who could go back in time... (Okay, I'll stop).
BTW, I never figured out why it couldn't have been poor grandma who got killed or, for that matter, mom or dad as long as I was not yet an item.
BG wants to kill Jacob, but he can't. What reason can there possibly be that BG can't just pick up Jacob's knife and filet him? Not the due diligence of the Metropolitan Island Police.
BG can't kill Jacob because he is Jacob's grandson and he will cease to have (ever) existed at the moment of Grandpa Jacob's last breath.
Aspirin, bring me aspirin. No! I said ASPIRIN! Oops, sorry, folks.
Anyway, why is BG "older than" Jacob? Because he did not undertake his mission until he was older. He found the Island, slipped back in time and prepared to kill Grandpa Jake. At this point Jacob told him the gritty little truth or he suddenly figured it out for himself. He's still around, looking for a loophole.
Enter John Locke, general romantic and lost (Hmm) soul looking for some meaning in his life. So BG uses his natural/learned talents to convince Locke that the Island is a beautiful place that needs him.
Of course, if Locke is dead and BG just looks like him, then it's still BG killing grandpa; BG has to get someone else to do it.
Ben's available Afterward, grandpa's still dead and BG still hasn't been born yet. How can this be a loophole that works?
8)Jim
I'm just catching up on the posts and saw the update of the fantasy league scores- Thanks for the update- just luck I guess.
I wasn't actually suggesting that BG was Jacob's Grandfather or vice versa...though it certainly gave me something to think about while mowing the lawn tonight!!!! The Grandfather Paradox is something that plagues most time travelling theories. I'm trying to figure out how/what/if Miles being a baby and an adult in the same time line and Locke being dead and ?undead?
?possessed by? ?other? in the same time line would somehow get rid of the paradox. If so, then whatever happened really did happen but can maybe re-happen with a different outcome in the present time line of the person that is experiencing it....I don't know. Brings my thoughts right back to the whole consciousness thing.
PS Thanks for the scores Doc. Enjoyed your use of verbs. (All I can say is the next episode had better be called "John Locke is Really Dead"! or I'm telling Dark that I wanna re-do!!!! ;) )
Miss Kim said...
I wasn't actually suggesting that BG was Jacob's Grandfather or vice versa...
Ah, well, analyzing stuff used to be my job. I'm out of practice!
We went through a phase on the LP where people declared that it was impossible for two versions of a person to be on the Island at the same time without some cataclysmic event occurring. They based this on Dr. Chang's excited instructions not to let the two bunnies from the video touch each other.
Here comes the "weird science" part. I think the bunnies were virtually the same creature in terms of the atoms used in their construction. If those same atoms had touched... There might have been a problem with the time-shifting Losties if one had walked up and touched his/her "other self" because the Sawyer, for example, watching Claire give birth wasn't completely different than the Sawyer who was wherever Sawyer was that night. Adult Miles in 1977 was completely different that baby Miles in 1977. All the atoms that were in baby Miles' cells were long since gone. "C'mon, Miles, give your -- self -- a hug."
8) Jim
Jim: I'm glad you're good at analyzing.
Well I am glad we cleared up the grandfather thing. I knew about the grandfather paradox, but thought that I had somehow missed something where we determined that Jacob could actually BE BG's grandfather! LOL
My brain's been a'stretchin' over that one. LOL
I feel like Daniel's story isn't finished, so I hope there is more in his journal yet to see (presuming it didn't get blown up with Jughead). Or did Eloise take it?
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#49 - on day 49, Shannon is buried and Jack and Kate share their first (rather insipid) kiss. (Sorry, Matthew Fox couldn't create chemistry with any of the 25 sexiest woman - even if Bill Nye the Science Guy gave him a chemistry set and instructions.)
Not that I'm bitter. *g*
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Hey everyone:) Haven't been by because I try not to think about LOST too much when its not coming on because it's just too depressing for me. Then I looked at my Lost Myspace page today and have spent all morning watching Utube vids from LOST. Oh the memories:)
Here is something to waste 5 minutes with...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or_BGsW7Mgg&feature=related
ALSO, don't know if I am playing this game right, but I have #50. SOOOOOO how about 8+42=50. LOL If dan't don't work feel free to just forget I said it:)
Ok this is the last video I am posting...but I love this one. PERFECT!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF2YjSd1MCo
LOL Tasha.
Sawyer's nicknames were something I worked on in the hiatus last year. I rewatched (and dh watched for the first time) the entire series and I posted each epsiode's nickname list! LOL
The second video was awesome. Made me think a couple of things. 1st - Christian's hair got grayer after he died. LOL.
Second, I looked at the supremely perfect casting choices that the producers have made over the years... the three stages of Hawking and Widmore, all of the child actors - Charlie, Hurley, Sawyer, Jack, Kate, Ben. So why oh WHY was the casting for Rachel and Juliet SO supremely AWFUL? And why were the set and costumes so modern? Mistake? Mis-direction?
The game, Tasha is that you pick the next number in line and say something about how that number relates to LOST. When you added the two Valenzetti numbers, you weren't far off! Another option for 50 might be the number of Euros that Avelino suggested that he and Sayid bet on the golf course.
Make sense?
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Miss Kim said...If so, then whatever happened really did happen but can maybe re-happen with a different outcome in the present time line of the person that is experiencing it....I don't know.
I think what you are saying is that something can happen more than one time, but have a different outcome on one or more subsequent times, without changing the original event - that happens the same way each time. (yes, I'm just restating what you said so I can get my mind around it) For example - in a smaller way - I can read a text book on say, the kreb cycle, and not get it at all.
Event: reading the text book.
Outcome: didn't get it.
Therefore, I re-read the text book, one or more times, with the same result each time - didn't get it. Then one day, I re-read it yet again, and I GET IT this time!!
Event: reading the text book.
Outcome: I GET IT.
Applying this concept to our LOSTies, then, would allow them to repeat events in their pasts, unchanged, except for their outcomes. If the outcomes are not applyed until they "catch up with their current time line selves", they can affect the future timeline. Clear as mud? Oh well.
However, I am still not sold on the repeat-past concept. If they have been grafted into the past timeline, it has only been once - they ALWAYS have been there in 1977, no alternate timeline without them there. They have only been there once and we have just seen it. JMO :)
#51 (From the LP, bless its little heart!)
The number of minutes left on the Swan's countdown timer when the monitor beeps and Michael sees the typewritten message, "Hello?"
The message turns out to be from Walt; that statement is unproven but unchallenged.
The LP strangely quiet, considering it's on the third day of a "rewatch" campaign.
Some neat little tweaks, but nothing major.
8) Jim
I couldn't find much for 52 - so if someone else does, I'm sure it's better than mine :)
Terry O'Quinn and Jeff Fahey were both born (in real life) in 1952.
That's good, Lins. These are going to get harder to do, but it is kind of fun trying. Day 52 was the day that the Others captured Kate.
#53 - the number of days since Sun had conceived, when Juliet gave her the ultra-sound:
JULIET: That's the heart beating. Its very strong, its very healthy. OK, you crashed here ninety days ago. The baby was conceived about eight weeks ago, so around fifty three days. You got pregnant on the Island.
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